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GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

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Re: GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

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Post by dangus »

olyjohn wrote: post #16
dangus wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might as well be making the “I’m okay with my 2004 Honda accord with a tape adapter” argument. There is no cost reason to exclude the option. Even if I don’t use it, if I’m buying a $30-50k new vehicle it better have it, even if that’s for the sake of resale or future family members I might pass the car down to. My 2016 has it, why am I tolerating the removing of such a feature? If you want unscientific evidence…

I think it's hilarious that I can upgrade my 2004 Honda Accord and add CarPlay into it with a myriad of screen sizes and options, features, cameras. There's an entire world of car stereo / infotainment gear out there that is cheaper and better than ever. Meanwhile, everybody with their new cars are just stuck with the terrible built in systems, or can only upgrade with a $1000 worth of audio processing gear and multi…

I think this is a negative recency bias, nobody makes aftermarket stuff for brand new cars because nobody with a brand new car is trying to augment it.

You can find infotainment replacement systems for more recent cars. Example: https://www.caraudiocoho.com/products/mazda-6-car-radio-mult...

Re: GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

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Post by troad »

dangus wrote: post #10
jbm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to feel this way, but nowadays I've come to realize that Carplay's UX is inferior to my iPhone's UX on a mount. As long as I have Bluetooth or Aux-in, I'm fine. (That isn't to say that I think GM will somehow produce anything other than a captured rent extraction tool)

You might as well be making the “I’m okay with my 2004 Honda accord with a tape adapter” argument. There is no cost reason to exclude the option. Even if I don’t use it, if I’m buying a $30-50k new vehicle it better have it, even if that’s for the sake of resale or future family members I might pass the car down to. My 2016 has it, why am I tolerating the removing of such a feature? If you want unscientific evidence…

> You might as well be making the “I’m okay with my 2004 Honda accord with a tape adapter” argument.

I love how authoritatively you say this, as though this is meant to be just so patently absurd it doesn't require any further argument. This is an attempted reductio ad absurdum, but the absurdum in question fails to actually be abusrd.

Not everyone wants to drop $50K every few years on some liquid-glass-operated subscription-based monstrosity. Some people much prefer cars operated by knobs and dials, that are easy to repair, and dirt-cheap to replace. It's simply superior tech.

Re: GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

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Post by realslimjd »

listenallyall wrote: post #28
AlotOfReading wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There aren't really any licensing fees for Android Auto. Apple charged a few dozen dollars for the right to produce a car with the integration, rather than a license as such. There's integration costs and hardware, so it's not free, but generally it's cheaper than the alternative. Android automotive, the system GM is discussing here, is more expensive in every way than Android Auto. The reason they're switching is th…

Is it possible Apple/Google initially charged a nominal fee when the technology was brand new, and now that it has widespread acceptance and is mandatory for many car purchasers, they turned the screws and are now charging an exorbitant price?

Is it possible? Yes. Is it happening? No.

Re: GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

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Post by mandeepj »

syntaxing wrote: post #2

CarPlay is probably the top of my list of features when I buy a car. I can careless about performance specs after a certain threshold. But not having CarPlay would straight up go into my do not buy list (yes, I wouldn’t buy a Rivian or tesla either.)

> CarPlay is probably the top of my list of features when I buy a car.

It's so important and useful to me that I've been thinking of retrofitting my Corvette C6, either by jailbreaking an iPad or simply mounting it.

Re: GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

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Post by yellowapple »

> In place of phone projection, GM is working to update its current Android-powered infotainment implementation with a Google Gemini-powered assistant and an assortment of other custom apps, built both in-house and with partners.

I guess I'll add that to the ever-growing list of reasons why I'll never buy a GM vehicle manufactured in the current century.

Re: GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

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Post by add-sub-mul-div »

My car has no screens and neither will my next one. I can't cut the tech giants out of my life altogether but I'm reducing my reliance on them, not increasing their use cases where I don't need to. I'm not inviting them into my driving, my purchases, my music listening, my reading, or any other part of my life. Good for GM.

Re: GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

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Post by AlotOfReading »

listenallyall wrote: post #28
AlotOfReading wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There aren't really any licensing fees for Android Auto. Apple charged a few dozen dollars for the right to produce a car with the integration, rather than a license as such. There's integration costs and hardware, so it's not free, but generally it's cheaper than the alternative. Android automotive, the system GM is discussing here, is more expensive in every way than Android Auto. The reason they're switching is th…

Is it possible Apple/Google initially charged a nominal fee when the technology was brand new, and now that it has widespread acceptance and is mandatory for many car purchasers, they turned the screws and are now charging an exorbitant price?

It's possible, but it wouldn't lead to this kind of action. Automakers already have a way to deal with expensive features that are critical to a large segment of the customer base. They limit it to higher trims or select models, depending on the cost constraints. That's what GM does with ADAS for example.

They're eliminating phone projection entirely here, which means they think the feature is incompatible with their business model.

Re: GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

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Post by Quitschquat »

mandeepj wrote: post #34
syntaxing wrote: post #2

CarPlay is probably the top of my list of features when I buy a car. I can careless about performance specs after a certain threshold. But not having CarPlay would straight up go into my do not buy list (yes, I wouldn’t buy a Rivian or tesla either.)

> CarPlay is probably the top of my list of features when I buy a car. It's so important and useful to me that I've been thinking of retrofitting my Corvette C6, either by jailbreaking an iPad or simply mounting it.

Retrofitted my 2010 Tacoma beater because I can’t live without CarPlay

Re: GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

syntaxing wrote: post #2

CarPlay is probably the top of my list of features when I buy a car. I can careless about performance specs after a certain threshold. But not having CarPlay would straight up go into my do not buy list (yes, I wouldn’t buy a Rivian or tesla either.)

> CarPlay is probably the top of my list of features when I buy a car

Do you own a GM vehicle? Were you considering it?

No CarPlay is a dealbreaker for me too. I’m just not convinced there are that many of us.

Re: GM will ditch Apple CarPlay and Android Auto on all its cars, not just EVs

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Post by olyjohn »

dangus wrote: post #31
olyjohn wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's hilarious that I can upgrade my 2004 Honda Accord and add CarPlay into it with a myriad of screen sizes and options, features, cameras. There's an entire world of car stereo / infotainment gear out there that is cheaper and better than ever. Meanwhile, everybody with their new cars are just stuck with the terrible built in systems, or can only upgrade with a $1000 worth of audio processing gear and multi…

I think this is a negative recency bias, nobody makes aftermarket stuff for brand new cars because nobody with a brand new car is trying to augment it. You can find infotainment replacement systems for more recent cars. Example: https://www.caraudiocoho.com/products/mazda-6-car-radio-mult...

Your link proves my exact point. You need some specific one-off gear from some no-name android tablet manufacturer that doesn't fit any other car. LOL@ this thing running Android 12, which was out of support in March of this year... Much aftermarket support wow.

The 2004 Accord has a DIN slot in it. Which has a myriad of options available for it, despite the dwindling aftermarket.

Have you seen how to upgrade a 2023 Honda Accord infotainment system? You can't without major work. You can use the factory head unit, and feed all the amplified signals into a $1000+ sound processor, with a bunch of other modules specifically built for the car, then run the speaker outputs out to some crazy-ass 8 channel amplifier (because more speakers means the stereo is better for some reason), then feed that back to your speakers. And then at that point, all you've upgraded is the audio, not even the head unit itself. And why does it even have a center channel again?

Also, people obviously care about what infotainment is in their cars, as there is a huge amount of people saying they won't buy a car without CarPlay. Sounds like people DO want to augment their infotainment systems. Nobody is trying to do it, because you can't do it. Imagine if you could buy the car you wanted, and install your own accessories in it.

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