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AWS outage shows internet users 'at mercy' of too few providers, experts say

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Re: AWS outage shows internet users 'at mercy' of too few providers, experts say

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Sure. Are the "experts" going to pony up the cash to build in redundancy, or change the market fundamentals that make it make more sense for a startup to rush to product on a shoestring and then keep adding features instead of building against not-yet-happened failure modes?

If not, I look forward to the next single-point-of-failure outage. And the next. And the next.

Re: AWS outage shows internet users 'at mercy' of too few providers, experts say

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Been a while since I worked in cloud but at least when I got out of it, the primitives where all shoring up to be generally very similar. Did multi cloud redundancy end up being too expensive? Tech didn't line up enough? No good business case? The elastic cloud story that never was? https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/pets-vs-cattle-the-elas... What happened?

Not a justifiable expense when no one else is resilient against their AWS region going down either. Also cross-cloud orchestration is quite dead because every provider is still 100% proprietary bullshit and the control plane is... kubernetes. We settled for kubernetes.

Also if you can't even do cross region, cross cloud won't happen

Re: AWS outage shows internet users 'at mercy' of too few providers, experts say

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This is what I call "fool's availability": reducing single points of failure (one cloud provider) without adding any actual redundancy. If you removed AWS/GCP/Azure/etc and just had 100 small providers scattered all over, the result would be hundreds of outages throughout the year, as opposed to one big outage every other year [in one region]. AWS is already way more reliable than any other provider. The real problem…

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Re: AWS outage shows internet users 'at mercy' of too few providers, experts say

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This new post is interesting: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45646777 "October 17, 2025, was my last day at Amazon Web Services... CloudFront is a CDN, a content delivery network, or, simply put, a large distributed cache for your cat photos. And a very successful one. Something like 30% of all internet traffic goes through CloudFront in one way or another. Pretty cool, huh? In practice, this means that with an…

> Something like 30% of all internet traffic goes through CloudFront in one way or another. Pretty cool, huh?

No. No its not. But tech enthusiasts on HN and Reddit love it.

(Another 30% runs through cloudflare)

Re: AWS outage shows internet users 'at mercy' of too few providers, experts say

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The whole industry walked straight into the cloud service lock-in trap. How would we begin to wind back? I also think Docker is as much to blame as the bigger cloud vendors.

Why is docker to blame?

It's subjective I guess, but I feel as though containerisation has greatly supported the large Cloud vendor's desire to subvert the more common model of computing... Like, before, your server was a computer, much like your desktop machine, and you programmed it much like your desktop machine.

But now, people are quite happy to put their app in a Docker container and outsource all design and architecture decisions pertaining to data storage and performance.

And with that, the likes of ECS, Dynamo, RedShift, etc, are a somewhat reasonable answer to that. It's much easier to offer a distinct proposition around that state of affairs, than say a market that was solely based on EC2-esque VMs.

What I did not like, but absolutely expected, was this lurch towards near enough standardising one specific vendor's model. We're in quite a strange place atm, where AWS specific knowledge might actually have a slightly higher value than traditional DevOps skills for many organisations.

Felt like this all happened both at the speed of light, and in slow motion, at the same time.

Re: AWS outage shows internet users 'at mercy' of too few providers, experts say

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Can someone educate me on the solution to this? I assume most organizations, both small and large, just host on whatever provider they know or that costs them the least. If you have budget maybe you deploy to multiple providers for redundancy? But that increases cost and complexity. Who’s going to bother with colo given the cost / complexity? Who’s going to run a server from their office given ISP restrictions and do…

Rent servers from a local provider. It's cheaper, you get more control over the hardware, but most of all, it avoids correlated failures.
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