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Re: What I Self Host

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Post by sh3rl0ck »

tetrisgm wrote: post #13

Self hosting is great. The examples in this article are not exactly shining examples: an API that shows your Spotify stats? If we’re going to talk about self hosting music, I’d like to mention Roon, which is loved by audiophiles. It aims at creating a magazine like experience for navigating and discovering music. Been using it since COVID and it’s completely transformed my experience of listening to something else th…

The fact that it's a subscription is slightly off putting.

Loved the UI photos, but I guess I'll continue with Navidrome + Feishin/Symfonium.

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Post by dsr_ »

latexr wrote: post #18
CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you haven't picked together the hardware for your home server at home, can you really say that you're self-hosting? Or if you haven't really built the components yourself, are you actually self -hosting? If you cannot reasonably quickly debug your hardware faults physically, you're not "self-hosting". It seems everyone draws the line of "self-hosting" differently. For some, "self-hosting" could be running Wordpres…

That seems ripe for an alternative version of the popular “loops to goat farming” quote: > I thought using loops was cheating, so I programmed my own using samples. I then thought using samples was cheating, so I recorded real drums. I then thought that programming it was cheating, so I learned to play drums for real. I then thought using bought drums was cheating, so I learned to make my own. I then thought using pr…

Meanwhile, that person learned the valuable skills of programming loops, recording, playing, and making drums, and goat farming; I suspect they may be happier doing some of those things than making music from other people's loops, which is where they started.

I bet they met a bunch of interesting people along the way.

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Post by lordnacho »

teddyh wrote: post #28
lordnacho wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a spectrum that has been illuminated by time. In the old times you had to do all these. Now you can cut this somewhere: - Power + cooling, physical security, network. (Old school LAN party) - Can you access the bare metal OS? (Hetzner/OVH bare metal) - Can you access a VM and decide what runs on it? (EC2 + associated services, K8s, etc, etc) - Can you run a function? (Lambda for example) So the meaning has wande…

The meaning has only “wandered” due to the marketing of dishonest hosting companies, and their partially self-deluded customers who want to believe the marketing in order to avoid doing the hard work of actually self-hosting.

I'm not so sure. Software people have a tendency towards abstraction, and often the bottom layer in their opinion of their own role is where you have OS control, without knowing much about the network and physical.

Whether that's reasonable, well, I kinda liked the underlayer and thought it was part of a good education. But not everyone agrees.

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Post by rpdillon »

busymom0 wrote: post #25

> I pay for a cheap droplet at DigitalOcean, about $5 per month, and an additional dollar for backup. Wait, I thought self hosting meant having your own hardware at like home running all your services. Not DigitalOcean.

I didn't realize, but apparently this is a long-standing argument. I did just a tiny bit of digging because I'm sort of into self-hosting and I ran across the selfhosted Reddit's wiki on the topic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/wiki/selfhosted

TLDR: they don't differentiate on whether you own the hardware or not.

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Post by teddyh »

dooglius wrote: post #27
teddyh wrote: post #4

I deplore this weakening and dilution of the term “self-hosting”. In my opinion, if your services had downtime today, you are not “self-hosting”. If you depend on anything which has “cloud” in its name, you are not “self-hosting”. If you cannot reasonably quickly access your hardware physically, like inserting or replacing an add-on card, you are not “self-hosting”. EDIT: It’s like saying “I don’t take the bus! I ‘se…

How do you define it? If your ISP has a problem, you can't access that hardware physically, so it would seem this definition rules out anyone that doesn't control an ISP.

This is a common, but disingenuous, objection. People also don’t make their own electricity. Is therefore “self-host” an unreachable goal, which nobody can fulfill in practice? No, this would be a useless definition.

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Post by latexr »

Semaphor wrote: post #23
teddyh wrote: post #4

I deplore this weakening and dilution of the term “self-hosting”. In my opinion, if your services had downtime today, you are not “self-hosting”. If you depend on anything which has “cloud” in its name, you are not “self-hosting”. If you cannot reasonably quickly access your hardware physically, like inserting or replacing an add-on card, you are not “self-hosting”. EDIT: It’s like saying “I don’t take the bus! I ‘se…

The meaning is I install my own software and set up as I want. Some of it on my 2 mini servers in my living room, some (prosody and seafile) on a VPS. Calling the latter not self hosted seems weird to me.

> The meaning is I install my own software and set up as I want.

That seems a bit vague. If you tell that to someone who never heard of self-hosting, they’d be excused for wondering if that means downloading from an App Store and opening the settings.

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Post by turtlebits »

teddyh wrote: post #4

I deplore this weakening and dilution of the term “self-hosting”. In my opinion, if your services had downtime today, you are not “self-hosting”. If you depend on anything which has “cloud” in its name, you are not “self-hosting”. If you cannot reasonably quickly access your hardware physically, like inserting or replacing an add-on card, you are not “self-hosting”. EDIT: It’s like saying “I don’t take the bus! I ‘se…

The word "host" is ambigious. Hosts can be virtual or physical.

Self-host to me is a verb, which mean you're running the service, regardless of what hardware it's on. On-prem is better descriptive word for physical hardware.

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Post by throwaway270925 »

tetrisgm wrote: post #13

Self hosting is great. The examples in this article are not exactly shining examples: an API that shows your Spotify stats? If we’re going to talk about self hosting music, I’d like to mention Roon, which is loved by audiophiles. It aims at creating a magazine like experience for navigating and discovering music. Been using it since COVID and it’s completely transformed my experience of listening to something else th…

How is this Roon selfhosting when its 14,99€/m? Isnt this just another Streaming Service?
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