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Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Re: Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Post by throw748494 »

markus_zhang wrote: post #22

IMO the best way for Linux to win is to advocate it to your kids. People usually stick to whatever they learned and played with during childhood, and if we can make a whole generation Linux aware, not as a server but as a desktop, then the time of Linux desktop is foreseeable. Instead of poaching to the adults, poach it to the kids. Tell them stories of hackers, etc. We can also volunteer in schools for a few session…

>People usually stick to whatever they learned and played with during childhood

Any source for this? I grown on Atari, DOS and Windows. Most kids today are on mobile or consoles.

Linux does not need advertising, it is by far the best option from point of hardware selection, development, gaming and ease of use.

Re: Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Post by Daneel_ »

herbst wrote: post #2

Is anyone here even still using Windows in a professional way?

Absolutely. MacOS treats the user like a child (Windows isn’t much better, but it is better), and Linux doesn’t have all the domain integration features and breadth of software that Windows brings to the table. I’m extremely comfortable on Linux at home, but I use Windows at work.

Re: Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Post by microtonal »

markus_zhang wrote: post #22

IMO the best way for Linux to win is to advocate it to your kids. People usually stick to whatever they learned and played with during childhood, and if we can make a whole generation Linux aware, not as a server but as a desktop, then the time of Linux desktop is foreseeable. Instead of poaching to the adults, poach it to the kids. Tell them stories of hackers, etc. We can also volunteer in schools for a few session…

Or if you want to make them tech capable, another possibility is to give them a cheap Mac (apparently Apple is going to release a MacBook with an A-series SoC soon). You can open a terminal and show how it works, they can explore the filesystem with Finder, but when they need to do school work, they also have access to good DTP applications (Swift Publisher is really affordable and nice for kids), Affinity Designer/Photo, etc.

Our daughter initially had a Linux machine (also for the reasons you outlined). But she quickly ran into issues when doing work for school, collaborating with other kids, etc. So we gave her a Mac Mini M1. It was not very expensive, she can run many common apps (MS Office is a fact of life) and it's more secure (app sandboxing, sealed system volume, etc). But many of her skills are be transferrable to Linux if needed (in contrast to using an iPad or Android tablet).

Re: Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Post by sys_64738 »

If people don't want to buy a new computer then I'd imagine the majority will stick with Win10 for a period until their current computer dies. As long as Chrome still supports Win10 then they'll think it's OK. Win11 is so radically different to Win10 that most would see less change going to Mint but won't.

Re: Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

#36

Post by Gualdrapo »

esperent wrote: post #4

I'm one of these people. Although it was a several years long plan for me, which involved learning new software (especially 3DS Max to Blender). I finally decided to bite the bullet around 8 weeks ago. Backed up everything, wiped Windows, installed Ubuntu. I wouldn't says it's been smooth sailing. I've had a ton of technical issues which are not all resolved (I still can't get my laptop to wake from sleep, I have to…

> if you want to use Linux, you need to buy certified hardware

Or test yours with a live distro beforehand

Re: Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Post by debugnik »

throw748494 wrote: post #31
markus_zhang wrote: post #22

IMO the best way for Linux to win is to advocate it to your kids. People usually stick to whatever they learned and played with during childhood, and if we can make a whole generation Linux aware, not as a server but as a desktop, then the time of Linux desktop is foreseeable. Instead of poaching to the adults, poach it to the kids. Tell them stories of hackers, etc. We can also volunteer in schools for a few session…

>People usually stick to whatever they learned and played with during childhood Any source for this? I grown on Atari, DOS and Windows. Most kids today are on mobile or consoles. Linux does not need advertising, it is by far the best option from point of hardware selection, development, gaming and ease of use.

Unless you've already got an Nvidia GPU, in which case you might encounter repeating pains.

Thanks to Nvidia's Linux driver, my desktop environment breaks and hangs when it comes back from sleep, and every few days my screen starts flashing black until I reboot. I've been told the trigger may be the combination of DisplayPort and AdaptiveSync.

Re: Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Post by BSDobelix »

narrator wrote: post #27
netsharc wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish I could also live in a planet where throwing away perfectly good PCs is fine and there's no looming climate-change-induced destruction...

Old machines use a lot of power, so not good for the climate. My rule of thumb is if it's less powerful than a $90 raspberry pi 400, which uses 10 watts max, it's probably worth e-wasting.

>Old machines use a lot of power,

So does producing a new one:

https://www.networkworld.com/article/752694/computer-factori...

Re: Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Post by microtonal »

Daneel_ wrote: post #32
herbst wrote: post #2

Is anyone here even still using Windows in a professional way?

Absolutely. MacOS treats the user like a child (Windows isn’t much better, but it is better), and Linux doesn’t have all the domain integration features and breadth of software that Windows brings to the table. I’m extremely comfortable on Linux at home, but I use Windows at work.

MacOS treats the user like a child

Sorry, but this is just nonsense. I used Linux on the desktop from 1994 to 2007 (lucky enough to start using Linux when I was 12). I have used macOS as my main desktop since 2007, but I also have a ThinkPad with NixOS and a Linux workstation (currently used headless though). I feel like I'm able to make a fair comparison.

macOS for me feels like a much more mature version of the Linux desktop, on more mature hardware, with applications that are not available on Linux. macOS is rarely getting in my way. The primary reason I also use Linux (and contribute in various ways) is that I find FLOSS morally preferable and hope for that reason that the Linux desktop wins in the long term.

Though having been around for many 'Linux is soon ready for the desktop'-moments since around 2000 (anyone remember Corel Linux?), I don't hold high hopes. As long as basic things like waking sleep results in a kernel panic because waking your Thunderbolt display puts the kernel in a weird state (and the 999 other paper cuts), Linux on the desktop won't happen.

Re: Windows 10 refugees flock to Linux in what devs call their "biggest launch"

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Post by tannhaeuser »

Unfortunately the Linux desktop is in its worst state it has been since two decades with containerized apps/frameworks/browsers updating when they feel like it all the time and the related unsolvable permission and layering problems on top of the usual WLAN, touchpad, and power management issues unsolved for nearly 30 years as a growing number of second system effect frameworks bring new issues with ungooglable solutions so Linux users themselves flock to Mac OS.
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