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A classified network of SpaceX satellites is emitting a mysterious signal

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Re: A classified network of SpaceX satellites is emitting a mysterious signal

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And we are going to put that in the hands of Elon musk? Are you fucking kidding me?

Is there a viable alternative? SpaceX is the only launch provider and satellite operator that is progressing at a rapid pace and driving costs down.

> Is there a viable alternative?

Always a good answer. ;-)

Re: A classified network of SpaceX satellites is emitting a mysterious signal

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post #26

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The issue with terrestrial wireless links is that you just aren't going to cover every inch of Earth's surface with terrestrial wireless links. At the same time: coverage comes cheap to Starlink. Which makes it perfect for serving areas no one wants to serve. Such as rural areas, anything outside the largest cities in underdeveloped countries, the open ocean, and so it goes.

Places only Starllink can reach are an insufficient and shrinking TAM. The only places a terrestrial wireless provider doesn't want to serve are places that can't afford FWA even though it costs less.

Until the next war

Re: A classified network of SpaceX satellites is emitting a mysterious signal

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I'm curious if you could destroy a SpaceX Satelite with a basic laser pointers. Easily enough for normal state actors and some university or engineering lab. You need only to track it and shoot your laser up there (its only 500km) and if it can't dissipate the energy fast enough, it would overheat.

A simple way would be to send up a satellite filled with "bullets" in the orbit. At the opportune moment, the satellite will fire these bullets and they will place themselves in the paths of these satellites (no need to track and target the satellites, the satellites will fly towards the bullets as their paths are fixed), boom space debris and subsequent chain reaction.

Re: A classified network of SpaceX satellites is emitting a mysterious signal

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I'm curious if you could destroy a SpaceX Satelite with a basic laser pointers. Easily enough for normal state actors and some university or engineering lab. You need only to track it and shoot your laser up there (its only 500km) and if it can't dissipate the energy fast enough, it would overheat.

Try destroying a can of soda with a laser pointer first…

Can I drink the soda first?

Oh come on you guys I thought this would be my ticket to 6000 ;—;

Re: A classified network of SpaceX satellites is emitting a mysterious signal

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post #20

To me, the main issue is not the signal itself, but the direction: >The use of those frequencies to "downlink" data runs counter to standards set by the International Telecommunication Union, a United Nations agency So, just another instance of the current admin violating an international treaty the US is part of.

Plenty to criticize the admin for, but these satellites have been going up since last year. Biden was president then, not Trump. This is TLAs being TLAs. They think they are special, and they are because they get little real scrutiny, unfortunately.

Re: A classified network of SpaceX satellites is emitting a mysterious signal

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This reeks of SAR (Synthetic Aperture Radar), and we know Starshield sats carry custom sensor payloads that normal Starlinks don't have.

Starshield with SAR that could support a missile lock would be a completely transformative capability in any pacific war scenario.

Re: A classified network of SpaceX satellites is emitting a mysterious signal

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post #23

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If a giant chunk of the constellation can act as a truly huge antenna, what can you get from that? Super high resolution? Seek/dwell time on a target that is effectively infinite?

And we are going to put that in the hands of Elon musk? Are you fucking kidding me?

Nobody is discussing putting anything in Elon's hand. We are discussing what he already has in his hand, or can grab for himself if he chooses to.

Re: A classified network of SpaceX satellites is emitting a mysterious signal

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Try destroying a can of soda with a laser pointer first…

Does your laser pointer has a hard upper Watt limit? Consumer grade / privat buyable laser can easily be bought. And would i destroy a soda can by overheating it slowly and steadily because the can has no easy way of dissipating heat and has electronics in it which are not heat resistent?

A Starlink V2 Mini sat (what they're currently launching with Falcon 9) has a total solar panel area of about 10.5 * 2.5 *2 = 105 m^2.

Solar irradiance in LEO is about 1350 W/m^2 when unobstructed. A space-grade solar panel reflects 5%-10% of that back as light, with the rest absorbed as either heat or electricity.

This should give you an idea of what kind of thermal flux the satellite is designed to be dealing with.

Re: A classified network of SpaceX satellites is emitting a mysterious signal

#39
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And we are going to put that in the hands of Elon musk? Are you fucking kidding me?

Is there a viable alternative? SpaceX is the only launch provider and satellite operator that is progressing at a rapid pace and driving costs down.

2/3 of Falcon 9 launches are for Starlink. No outside revenue. SpaceX continues to require new investment rounds. So the whole "driving costs down" thing might only work until investors expect some actual free cash flow.

There have been 11 test launches of starship. You might've missed the last one because it didn't do anything new, except shedding parts and exploding less. There's a pretty good chance that program will never beat the cost of Falcon Heavy, or that the technology, like multiple refueling flights to get beyond low Earth orbit, is ever made workable.

Re: A classified network of SpaceX satellites is emitting a mysterious signal

#40
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue with terrestrial wireless links is that you just aren't going to cover every inch of Earth's surface with terrestrial wireless links. At the same time: coverage comes cheap to Starlink. Which makes it perfect for serving areas no one wants to serve. Such as rural areas, anything outside the largest cities in underdeveloped countries, the open ocean, and so it goes.

Places only Starllink can reach are an insufficient and shrinking TAM. The only places a terrestrial wireless provider doesn't want to serve are places that can't afford FWA even though it costs less.

Starlink has plenty of good use cases: - camper van coverage across whole countries/continents - rural farms/communities - global coverage for convenience (eg business travellers) - huge military use

...just depends if it's economically viable

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