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Re: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence

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Post by cdfsdsadsa »

eqvinox wrote: post #15
cdfsdsadsa wrote: post #3

>The way we protect British kids from the Internet is to make better and more capable Britons, rather than to try and kidproof the entire internet. If only it were that easy. For me as a parent, my approach is to implement a "Great personal firewall" - that is, internet restrictions that decrease over time as they mature, and starting with essentially zero access. Unfortunately, it's probably doomed to fail as other…

Okay, but just blocking content isn't much better than being unengaged, in the long term. They will get exposed anyway, if only from a friend (whose parents are unengaged and lazy) who has no restrictions on their phone. The important thing is to teach and train media skills. Teaching an understanding that comment sections are cesspools and amplify negative feedback. Teaching that people flame because it's so much ea…

That's exactly my point. They are likely to get exposed to the worst of the internet at a significantly younger age than they will have the maturity and experience to handle (and younger than I can have any hope of trying to coach them in), all thanks to parents who give young kids (I'm talking 8 and younger) smartphones to keep them quiet.

My oldest girl is 5. She's already very aware that other kids in her class have access to tablets and phones. How on earth do I responsibly explain to her the dangers? I have enough trouble asking her to get dressed and keep her nappy dry at night.

Re: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence

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Post by janwl »

4ggr0 wrote: post #23
IlikeKitties wrote: post #9

I bought a 4chan pass today just to support the effort. If there's ever a hornets nest you don't want to fuck with it's 4chan and i can't imagine a better poking stick than ofcom.

the rasion d'etre of 4chan can probably be discussed forever, but i can't imagine donating money to such a vile, hate-filled platform. surely there are better causes fighting for the same things, right? i know, freedom of speech, it's your money and not mine, etc.

One man’s hate is another man’s love.

Re: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence

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Post by HPsquared »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #25
HPsquared wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come to think of it, parental control would be a neat application for something like Apple Intelligence. A local system service that is "trustworthy enough" to monitor everything on screen, and written content too.

Why Apple Intelligence when screen recording has been a feature for parental control systems for ages?

I mean a classifier to identify anything that looks sus.

Edit: also something like this needs deep OS integration.

Re: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence

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Post by skeezyjefferson »

epanchin wrote: post #11

Is there a solution where we can compel parental control to be enabled by default on kids phones? That would seem to be least intrusive option. Using the internet in the UK/EU is such a horrible experience, every cookie pop-up is a reminder how badly thought out these rules are.

i love how screen time is only detrimental to young minds, and older minds are somehow immune to its evils.

Re: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence

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Post by tasuki »

> The Act explicitly grants Ofcom the legal authority to regulate online safety for individuals in the United Kingdom, and this expressly includes conducting investigations into, and imposing penalties for, non-compliance by providers of online services with their duties under the Act. […] The Act expressly anticipates that it will have extra-territorial effect

I don't see anything wrong here: Sure, Ofcom can have the legal authority to regulate online safety worldwide. It's just that this... legal authority... isn't quite enforceable outside the UK jurisdiction. How unfortunate!

Re: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence

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Post by skeezyjefferson »

cdfsdsadsa wrote: post #3

>The way we protect British kids from the Internet is to make better and more capable Britons, rather than to try and kidproof the entire internet. If only it were that easy. For me as a parent, my approach is to implement a "Great personal firewall" - that is, internet restrictions that decrease over time as they mature, and starting with essentially zero access. Unfortunately, it's probably doomed to fail as other…

in all seriousness, what do you fear?

Re: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence

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Post by cess11 »

I'd like for someone to do a parental rights case at the ECHR against this, e.g. by claiming that according to their religion and traditional culture kids in their teens should be getting into contact with porn, snuff and the like, and that they as parents have a right to transfer this to their kids.

Re: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence

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Post by mkesper »

Woodi wrote: post #26
vkazanov wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same problem. Tried to balance some kind of freedom with limitations but it just didn't work. Then I found discord, read through some chats... Now it's just outright forbidden to have anything with a chat. And no Internet. The problem is that other 10 year old have mobiles, free PC access, etc, so there constant peer pressure.

Some peoples are funny :) And there are parents ;) Kids go to school, have lessons, right ? And few minutes breaks between lessons ? How that parents want to censorship what kids talk about ? Not to mention phones use. And why exactly ? Thing is as it always is: parents make fundamens in culture/world view eg via their views and religion they subscribe. And then society and reality takes over. What society you have ?

Adults grooming children in chats is absolutely a thing, this is completely different from talking any way they feel like to their peers face to face.

Re: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence

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Post by tronicjester »

4ggr0 wrote: post #23
IlikeKitties wrote: post #9

I bought a 4chan pass today just to support the effort. If there's ever a hornets nest you don't want to fuck with it's 4chan and i can't imagine a better poking stick than ofcom.

the rasion d'etre of 4chan can probably be discussed forever, but i can't imagine donating money to such a vile, hate-filled platform. surely there are better causes fighting for the same things, right? i know, freedom of speech, it's your money and not mine, etc.

Whose hate filled platform? Is there proof mods push general threads or curate content? If the "hate" is legit perspectives from the populous then its important. Reddit is highly curated and far more echoey than 4chan. Never seen pro-Jesus/Islam threads on main page of Reddit. 4chan has them all the time on multiple boards.

Re: 4Chan Lawyer publishes Ofcom correspondence

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Post by wiredfool »

epanchin wrote: post #11

Is there a solution where we can compel parental control to be enabled by default on kids phones? That would seem to be least intrusive option. Using the internet in the UK/EU is such a horrible experience, every cookie pop-up is a reminder how badly thought out these rules are.

Having done several rounds with parental control, I'd say -- nfw. We were worried more about timesink than anything else, but over a long period of time, it mainly boils down to knowing your kids, trusting them, with checkups. The tech is just not there to actually control what happens on a device.

White listing worked for a while (months) when they were young, but it was super-high touch and stuff just broke all the time. You try to whitelist a site, but you have to then figure out all their CDNs.

Restricting specific sites works, sort of, until they find some place that hosts that content. Blocking youtube doesn't work(*), every search engine has a watch videos feature. (Why are you spending 3 hours a day on DDG?) There's really no way to segment youtube into "videos they need to watch for school" and "viral x hour minecraft playthrough". Somehow, we've managed to combine the biggest time waste ever with a somewhat useful for education hosting service.

That's leaving out the jailbreaks that come from finding an app's unfiltered webview and getting an open web escape there.

There's basically no reliable method for filtering even on locked down platforms.

* there's probably a way to kill it at the firewall based on dns, but that's iffy for phones and it's network wide.

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