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I can only imagine what the Taiwanese can do in Arizona. Truly a synergy for the ages.

Maybe that's why yields there are better? [1] [1] https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/ts...

Once you're in a air-conditioned environment the outside world doesn't matter.

More likely he compared the 4nm yield to the 3nm yield in Taiwan?

Re: America’s semiconductor boom [video]

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This is just anecdote, but my roommate's dad works in construction management specifically for semiconductor fabs, and he was working for about a year on one of Intel's new fabs in Arizona up until a few months ago when the entire project was suddenly scrapped. IIRC he got the sense it was someone high up in intel that decided to pull the plug on it.

Fabs need pretty solid foundations IIRC, the systems don't like vibration. So this won't have been a cheap build. I also believe the construction methods for clean room is like a VOC purge on steroids. Whatever else goes into this build would have a huge impact on potentially reclaiming it for VLSI.

Re: America’s semiconductor boom [video]

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how competitive will american made cpu's be? will american consumers just end up paying n * more for same product that the rest of the world gets from taiwan?

Have you seen how much of a premium Americans are already paying for chips in the face of constrained supply? Gamers are still buying them and so is everyone else Given that this is the same curiosity and question since pre-pandemic and now we have many examples of a premium, I think its not a real worry as long as the chips perform

Of course cost is an issue. If costs are higher than in Asia, everybody else in the world is going to buy Asian chips, not American ones.

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Is America's semiconductor boom real? How much capacity are we building? What processes? What types of semiconductor products? High end? Middle? Low? How much capacity? Can we substitute or replace Taiwan in the future in the event of conflict? I can't watch the video right now, but I'm curious about its claims. Or any additional HNer context.

This video has lots of details, but conspicuously absent is exactly WHAT chips are being made in Arizona. I guess it's still a closely-guarded secret for some reason.

It's not the high-end type. Otherwise they would announce it.

Re: America’s semiconductor boom [video]

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I always thought it was funny that for my entire lifetime people have talked about Arizona being perfect for fabs because it's dry there and not subject to tremors meanwhile Taiwan where 60% of all chips are produced (and 90% of the most sensitive ones) is tropical and has earthquakes fairly frequently.

Maybe chaos monkeys help innovation

Chaos monkey yes...but more like desperation for survival. Its the same mentality that drives Israel. As been shown a few times, it mutates into a sick culture with unintended consequences...but obviously it does produce results.

Re: America’s semiconductor boom [video]

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how competitive will american made cpu's be? will american consumers just end up paying n * more for same product that the rest of the world gets from taiwan?

Have you seen how much of a premium Americans are already paying for chips in the face of constrained supply? Gamers are still buying them and so is everyone else Given that this is the same curiosity and question since pre-pandemic and now we have many examples of a premium, I think its not a real worry as long as the chips perform

I keep seeing this in every industry. "We can't give up America because they buy so much"

"China needs the American market because they can't make up the numbers for the rest of the world combined in the short term"

Can people here help answer where the heck does everyone have the money to buy all this stuff? Especially post COVID with all the layoffs? The US is only 5% of the world population. Europe isn't that poor and many chunks of Asia have a lot of wealth now. Yet America's appetite and more importantly capability of absorbing all manner of goods remains unimpaired...how?!

Re: America’s semiconductor boom [video]

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This is just anecdote, but my roommate's dad works in construction management specifically for semiconductor fabs, and he was working for about a year on one of Intel's new fabs in Arizona up until a few months ago when the entire project was suddenly scrapped. IIRC he got the sense it was someone high up in intel that decided to pull the plug on it.

well, intel is loser on semiconductor boom

Re: America’s semiconductor boom [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe chaos monkeys help innovation

Chaos monkey yes...but more like desperation for survival. Its the same mentality that drives Israel. As been shown a few times, it mutates into a sick culture with unintended consequences...but obviously it does produce results.

"death river strategy"

Re: America’s semiconductor boom [video]

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This is just anecdote, but my roommate's dad works in construction management specifically for semiconductor fabs, and he was working for about a year on one of Intel's new fabs in Arizona up until a few months ago when the entire project was suddenly scrapped. IIRC he got the sense it was someone high up in intel that decided to pull the plug on it.

New CEO started in March, I vaguely recall him cancelling fabs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lip-Bu_Tan

So are they going to give back the money they got from the feds to build them?

Re: America’s semiconductor boom [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always thought it was funny that for my entire lifetime people have talked about Arizona being perfect for fabs because it's dry there and not subject to tremors meanwhile Taiwan where 60% of all chips are produced (and 90% of the most sensitive ones) is tropical and has earthquakes fairly frequently.

I can only imagine what the Taiwanese can do in Arizona. Truly a synergy for the ages.

Then why would nations around the world protect Taiwan?
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