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The front of the iPhone 5 is not flush with the frame

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Re: The front of the iPhone 5 is not flush with the frame

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Post by fxm4139 »

jblock wrote: post #21

Blaming issues (which most would consider a non-issue) like this on Steve Jobs not being around is insulting to all of the hard-working designers and engineers at Apple that worked 80-hour weeks to get this thing into your hands. They didn't do something wrong--you just don't like a decision they made.

Blame is a strong word, which is not what I did. I just said I didn't like it, which is a personal opinion and that doesn't demean anyones working on these things at Apple. You are just repeating what my blog said, which is that they made a decision that I didn't like :)

Re: The front of the iPhone 5 is not flush with the frame

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Post by fxm4139 »

LnxPrgr3 wrote: post #17

"Now I know everyone must be tired of people asking 'Would this have happened if Jobs was around' …" Personally, I hate hearing things like this because "my concept of Steve Jobs wouldn't have allowed this" isn't an argument. It's an attempt to use a dead man to bolster an argument's credibility. But how are we to know what Jobs would and wouldn't have allowed? Besides, the iPhone 4 came out on his watch, didn't it?…

"But how are we to know what Jobs would and wouldn't have allowed?". Thanks for pointing out the obvious. My statement of what Jobs would have done was purely hypothetical. I could have ended that with "Hell yes!" and that would be an equally plausible scenario. When did I say it was a step backwards? I just pointed out one thing on the phone that bothered me (and clearly isn't bothering many people), and that I didn't like it. That's all!

Re: The front of the iPhone 5 is not flush with the frame

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Post by LnxPrgr3 »

fxm4139 wrote: post #32
LnxPrgr3 wrote: post #17

"Now I know everyone must be tired of people asking 'Would this have happened if Jobs was around' …" Personally, I hate hearing things like this because "my concept of Steve Jobs wouldn't have allowed this" isn't an argument. It's an attempt to use a dead man to bolster an argument's credibility. But how are we to know what Jobs would and wouldn't have allowed? Besides, the iPhone 4 came out on his watch, didn't it?…

"But how are we to know what Jobs would and wouldn't have allowed?". Thanks for pointing out the obvious. My statement of what Jobs would have done was purely hypothetical. I could have ended that with "Hell yes!" and that would be an equally plausible scenario. When did I say it was a step backwards? I just pointed out one thing on the phone that bothered me (and clearly isn't bothering many people), and that I didn…

Fair enough.

I think I (and many others) latched onto the Steve Jobs thing because it's a bold statement and because it's your concluding paragraph.

I asked if you thought it was a step backwards because you said you liked the iPhone 4, but not the 5 (and of course also because Steve Jobs was around for the earlier launch). Neither side of the iPhone 4 is flush with the frame—it's literally a bit rough around the edges.

Re: The front of the iPhone 5 is not flush with the frame

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Post by fxm4139 »

LnxPrgr3 wrote: post #33
fxm4139 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"But how are we to know what Jobs would and wouldn't have allowed?". Thanks for pointing out the obvious. My statement of what Jobs would have done was purely hypothetical. I could have ended that with "Hell yes!" and that would be an equally plausible scenario. When did I say it was a step backwards? I just pointed out one thing on the phone that bothered me (and clearly isn't bothering many people), and that I didn…

Fair enough. I think I (and many others) latched onto the Steve Jobs thing because it's a bold statement and because it's your concluding paragraph. I asked if you thought it was a step backwards because you said you liked the iPhone 4, but not the 5 (and of course also because Steve Jobs was around for the earlier launch). Neither side of the iPhone 4 is flush with the frame—it's literally a bit rough around the edg…

I started the article off with the good things about the 5 and clipped it because I don't need to rattle off about all the awesome things about it that folks here know about. I just wrote the article about the one thing I didn't like about the 5. I like both the 4 and the 5. In fact, I'll be buying the 5 (I didn't just because it was out of stock, and not because of the not flush glass) :).

Btw, I just now realized that when I said "I didn't like it", the "it" was referring to the glass sticking out, and not the iPhone 5. Bad wording on my part there.

Re: The front of the iPhone 5 is not flush with the frame

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Post by glenra »

Anechoic wrote: post #26

What's the problem with the front not being flush? I noticed this from the first time I saw the iPhone 5 and immediately thought it was an aesthetic decision that ties the iPhone 5 back to the iPhone 4/4S. FWIW, I like the design (ftr I'm a Nokia E6 owner).

There are two problems with it. (1) Functional: if the glass sticks up a bit, it's more likely to shatter when you drop the phone face-down, than it would be if the glass face were flush or even inset. (2) visual: It destroys the symmetry when looking at the phone from the side.

Re: The front of the iPhone 5 is not flush with the frame

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Post by adgar »

amadeus wrote: post #5
lucisferre wrote: post #4

Sigh, a nickel for everyone who owns an Apple product suddenly thinks they are a world class designer.

Also note, it's the guy using a fucking generic blog template. Gotta love and hate Hacker News sometimes. Idiots. Edit: Bury me all you want, but by booting this post off the front page you've essentially agreed with me ;)

Seriously. You can't be a thought leader with a generic blog template. It's almost like he's not even trying to promote himself and impress the digerati. Your thoughts mean nothing if you don't take the time to customize the trimmings around them.

Re: The front of the iPhone 5 is not flush with the frame

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Post by herval »

adpirz wrote: post #18

Regarding the Jobs would-have-wouldn't-have done this, there's actually a decent chance that he DID this. http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-worked-closely-on-...

That's one of those things we'll only know if/when Ive or Cook get an equally informative bio, I guess. Jobs might have decided a lot on upcoming projects, but it's hard to tell if his decisions held after the new CEO or were altered/ditched/etc. So I'd say it's a 50/50 chance there :)

Re: The front of the iPhone 5 is not flush with the frame

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Post by [deleted] »

fxm4139 wrote: post #30
lucisferre wrote: post #4

Sigh, a nickel for everyone who owns an Apple product suddenly thinks they are a world class designer.

In fact, I did say in my blog that "I’m no industrial designer and I’m not saying that both sides must be flush, because of some kind of design philosophy that I might not know." The purpose of writing something like this is to spur a discussion, in which I express a personal opinion, hear counter points, and maybe learn something along the way. Your "sigh" does neither, and I don't need your judging skills to tell m…

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Re: The front of the iPhone 5 is not flush with the frame

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Post by lucisferre »

fxm4139 wrote: post #30
lucisferre wrote: post #4

Sigh, a nickel for everyone who owns an Apple product suddenly thinks they are a world class designer.

In fact, I did say in my blog that "I’m no industrial designer and I’m not saying that both sides must be flush, because of some kind of design philosophy that I might not know." The purpose of writing something like this is to spur a discussion, in which I express a personal opinion, hear counter points, and maybe learn something along the way. Your "sigh" does neither, and I don't need your judging skills to tell m…

Your making the nit-pick of all nit-picks and then vigorously defend it by ending with the outlandish claim that this wouldn't have happend if Jobs was there, which would be the part where you do in fact claim to know more than the people who did actually design the iPhone. People who in fact are world class designers.

Re: The front of the iPhone 5 is not flush with the frame

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Post by Evbn »

glenra wrote: post #35
Anechoic wrote: post #26

What's the problem with the front not being flush? I noticed this from the first time I saw the iPhone 5 and immediately thought it was an aesthetic decision that ties the iPhone 5 back to the iPhone 4/4S. FWIW, I like the design (ftr I'm a Nokia E6 owner).

There are two problems with it. (1) Functional: if the glass sticks up a bit, it's more likely to shatter when you drop the phone face-down, than it would be if the glass face were flush or even inset. (2) visual: It destroys the symmetry when looking at the phone from the side.

SJ was certainly right about one thing: if you don't like the asymmetry of the look of the phone from the side, you are looking at it wrong.
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