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ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Serious question. What does the project mean by ethical replacement?

The main webpage makes no further declaration around it for deeper understanding. Nothing in support pages or in developer resources. Anyone else familiar with the project that could describe why that needed to be called out?

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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What's a popular rolling release distro that's fairly stable, but also modern, for my dad's computer? He just wants a good balance of "things won't break" and "things will get updated". Ubuntu is ok, but maybe pop!OS or something else is better for him?

Rolling release & stable are mutually exclusive…

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Serious question. What does the project mean by ethical replacement? The main webpage makes no further declaration around it for deeper understanding. Nothing in support pages or in developer resources. Anyone else familiar with the project that could describe why that needed to be called out?

Probably a dig at DHH given the tremendous growth and popularity of Omarchy. He's being attacked for "being a nazi" by the usual suspects.

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Serious question. What does the project mean by ethical replacement? The main webpage makes no further declaration around it for deeper understanding. Nothing in support pages or in developer resources. Anyone else familiar with the project that could describe why that needed to be called out?

"I happen to own a little open source software company that is expressly anti-fascist, has a “No AI” policy, and has recently been called “aggressively queer” in case you’re interested in supporting tech companies like that:"

https://mastodon.social/@danirabbit@mastodon.online/11535606...

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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What's a popular rolling release distro that's fairly stable, but also modern, for my dad's computer? He just wants a good balance of "things won't break" and "things will get updated". Ubuntu is ok, but maybe pop!OS or something else is better for him?

Fedora Kinoite https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/kinoite/ I really do think that immutable distros are the future especially if you want something that don’t break. And imo KDE is arguably the best DE right now, that is if you believe DEs should follow the WinNT era UX principles. But there is a version with GNOME too or Cosmic https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/silverblue/ https://fedoraproject.org/at…

Thanks! I do love KDE, it's my daily driver.

Exit: OK immutable looks really interesting, thank you.

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Elementary OS is stuck in 2011, offering limited customization options. I remember having hard time adding desktop icons. These days, much superior distributions are available. Examples include Mint, EndeavourOS and Fedora...

Customization is great, but what's even better is when the defaults are just perfect to begin with...

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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post #8
post #5

What's a popular rolling release distro that's fairly stable, but also modern, for my dad's computer? He just wants a good balance of "things won't break" and "things will get updated". Ubuntu is ok, but maybe pop!OS or something else is better for him?

Fedora Kinoite https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/kinoite/ I really do think that immutable distros are the future especially if you want something that don’t break. And imo KDE is arguably the best DE right now, that is if you believe DEs should follow the WinNT era UX principles. But there is a version with GNOME too or Cosmic https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/silverblue/ https://fedoraproject.org/at…

Been rocking Kinoite for 2 years now - several major Fedora release upgrades, and zero breakage. I do weird stuff in my "pet" containers (using distrobox), and I love how my base system remains indestructible no matter how much I goof around.

Immutable is indeed the future. The moment a user installs something on a traditional mutable OS, it's configuration/environment drifts from the "base", making any system update or application install a potential conflict. After you install something on a traditional mutable OS, there's often no way to get back to the base without a OS reinstall (programs don't clean up after themselves, they change system settings, environment, more/worse).

Immutable operating systems solve this by having an immutable base image. Everyone running, for instance, Kinoite 42.20251011.0 all have exactly the same base. Users then can "layer" applications on top of the base image, sort of like a dockerfile. If something breaks, you just remove that application (layer) and it's like it never happened. Everyone having the same exact base image also means updates can be much more thoroughly tested, and confidently rolled-out to users.

Note, "Immutable" doesn't mean you can't save files or install things - it just means you cannot mutate the base OS image. There's always a "known good configuration" to go back to.

You're also encouraged to use "pet" containers for things like development - where you will install all sorts of weird system packages, libraries, tools, etc. without fear of polluting or breaking your system.

An immutable system + pet containers means your system will always be stable. Really neat.

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Serious question. What does the project mean by ethical replacement? The main webpage makes no further declaration around it for deeper understanding. Nothing in support pages or in developer resources. Anyone else familiar with the project that could describe why that needed to be called out?

Probably a dig at DHH given the tremendous growth and popularity of Omarchy. He's being attacked for "being a nazi" by the usual suspects.

It's been there for at least 4 years so I would think not

https://web.archive.org/web/20210902014243/https://elementar...

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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OP probably had to update Windows today. It's a weird world where KDE out of the box is more usable than Windows. I gave the wrong laptop to my mother a few months back and she only told me when she finished banking that the windows menu looked funny (Like the hacker one you put on the family computer when you were 12.) it was KDE. Usually she asks for help at least once on windows for getting the wifi connected. The…

/r/thathappened She had an account on the wrong laptop?

That is such an awkward comment and not really worthy of hn. Have you never logged into a bank website?
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