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Re: Silver trades to $50 an ounce

#31

Gold and silver hitting all time highs, stock market at insane levels. We have an asset bubble even though interest rates are high. Why is this?

> Why is this?

Massive gilded-age-levels of wealth inequality that will be politically impossible to address (neither US political party has a unified will to do it due to donor capture, and only the one with less will to do it has any national power currently) until there is a substantial economic crash.

Re: Silver trades to $50 an ounce

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but even with more money your foreign bank is required to rat you out with no warrant, not appealing.

unless you have more than 1 passport

If your other passport shows you were born in US your bank will still hold you to FATCA controls, and even if it doesn't show that then they're still bound to FATCA and can be punished if it's uncovered you're a US citizen.

Re: Silver trades to $50 an ounce

#33

Gold and silver hitting all time highs, stock market at insane levels. We have an asset bubble even though interest rates are high. Why is this?

I feel like something broke during COVID. My only thought is people want their money to make money (I mean, I know I do), and apps like Robinhood normalized speculation and gambling as "saving your money" and "stocks always go up."

We've had an unprecedentedly long period of growth that a lot of the younger "investors" have known nothing but. So this will be their first real bubble burst.

My little brother-in-law is only 27, he was too young to really remember 2007-10, and he started gable-vesting during lockdown, and when you turn $10 into $120 on some meme stock, you feel like you are up, even though the 50 other bets lost money.

Basically when enough people know nothing other than "stonks go up" and "apes strong together" you can keep pumping, but eventually the dump comes for all of us.

Re: Silver trades to $50 an ounce

#34

To teach my daughters about investing when they were young, I gave them some actual silver coins that I purchased — thinking these are tangible things, they can track the price. Of course I bought at the peak. They're adults now but just might be seeing a profit on their coins. I suppose lesson learned?

There is a time to buy, a time to sell, stocks and gold go through clear cycles where one outperforms the other, currently stocks have been outperformed by gold for 25 years.

My kids bought silver recently and are up 17% in about 2 months.

Re: Silver trades to $50 an ounce

#35
post #17

Gold and silver hitting all time highs, stock market at insane levels. We have an asset bubble even though interest rates are high. Why is this?

Losing faith in the value of the dollar in the face of our crazy fiscal position? The one thing that baffles me is energy prices. We haven't seen this oil/gold ratio since the pandemic, when demand for oil plummeted.

for the past century, the global economy has been a machine for turning fossil fuel into money. carbon output was very directly correlated with growth. that hasn't really changed yet but the writing is on the wall.

also, manufacturing and shipping just fell off a cliff.

Re: Silver trades to $50 an ounce

#36
post #17

Gold and silver hitting all time highs, stock market at insane levels. We have an asset bubble even though interest rates are high. Why is this?

Losing faith in the value of the dollar in the face of our crazy fiscal position? The one thing that baffles me is energy prices. We haven't seen this oil/gold ratio since the pandemic, when demand for oil plummeted.

I was just wondering if oil is the next asset to inflate.

Re: Silver trades to $50 an ounce

#37

Gold and silver hitting all time highs, stock market at insane levels. We have an asset bubble even though interest rates are high. Why is this?

Wealth is becoming more and more concentrated at the top end of the distribution. Folks at the high end have a lower marginal propensity to consume, and thus invest more in assets. This increase in demand causes all assets to rise.

Re: Silver trades to $50 an ounce

#38
post #19

Gold and silver hitting all time highs, stock market at insane levels. We have an asset bubble even though interest rates are high. Why is this?

Wsj had a great explainer on this today: https://www.wsj.com/finance/investing/gold-screams-debasemen... (Sorry, archive.ph not responding)

Here is an sharing version of that link, it should work for non-subscribers: https://www.wsj.com/finance/investing/gold-screams-debasemen...

Re: Silver trades to $50 an ounce

#39
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wsj had a great explainer on this today: https://www.wsj.com/finance/investing/gold-screams-debasemen... (Sorry, archive.ph not responding)

Can you tl;dr?

"Asked a friend":

Key Themes & Arguments:

   1.  Divergent market signals
   •   Gold has surged (~50 %+ over the past year) and the dollar has weakened, suggesting investor fears that governments may resort to inflation (i.e. currency debasement) to ease debt burdens.   
   •   But bond markets—especially through long-term inflation expectations embedded in yields and inflation swaps—are relatively steady and show little sign of expecting runaway inflation.

   2.  Why the disconnect?
   •   The article posits that different investor motivations may be in play. Gold’s rally might be driven not purely by inflation fears, but by geopolitical risk, central bank reserve behavior, and rate cuts/expectations of falling yields.   
   •   Meanwhile, bond investors appear anchored by beliefs in central bank discipline, moderate inflation, and weak job growth, which limit inflationary pressure in the view of bond markets.

   3.  Longer-term concerns still loom
   •   Over the long haul, the mismatch between rising debts, low taxation, and persistent spending may force a reckoning: either austerity or inflation. The article suggests many politicians will prefer the inflation route.   
   •   But for now, that outcome seems distant. Bond markets are not pricing in that scenario imminently.

   4.  Possible scenarios ahead
   •   If economic growth maintains momentum and the recent softening in jobs is transitory, the Fed might reverse course—undoing rate cuts or raising rates. That could challenge gold, stocks, and bonds alike.   
   •   Only if policymakers allow inflation to run unchecked (or effectively “print money”) would the “debasement trade” fully materialize.

Re: Silver trades to $50 an ounce

#40

Gold and silver hitting all time highs, stock market at insane levels. We have an asset bubble even though interest rates are high. Why is this?

In an inflationary economy like the one we have, "the market is at all time high" is not really a useful statement since it's the normal state of affairs.

All right, but gold doubling in two years is something more than a reflection of the amount of inflation we've had in the last two years.
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