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Framework supporting far-right racists?
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Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?
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> I have yet to see evidence DHH is a far-right racist. Clearly linked in the above thread: https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thoug...
Before reading the rest of the article from there the paragraphs about native brits seems a bit weird regardless of the good or bad of what's implied with it.
'Why doesn't he say white brits instead of native brits.'
Because he doesn't mean that?
I know Belgians more pasty white than me.
wouldn't call them native flemish or native belgian.
They're culturally romanian and turkish and even selfidentify as such, champion their sports teams and talk about their cultural issues. They're not indigenous even if born here and retain strong ties to the respective relevant countries and communities.
They can't be subconsciously tied to a local area by dialect, name or cultural elements or the like.
If he had said indigenous i don't think the writer would have liked it any better tho.
Similarly many comments in the original thread who take great issue with the term who i don't expect to see reeling when native americans or palestinians, etc, etc are refered to.
Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everything is political, especially something like the open source world (explicitly). Trying to hide from politics is just naivety and gives space to bad actors.
This kind of attitude comes hand-to-hand with performative virtue signalling. Minimizing the extent of political involvement makes any hobby or interest infinitely more enjoyable and less toxic, and I find it regrettable that people are less able to engage in communities centered around technology without flaunting their political tribal allegiances.
I enjoy when people show social conscious & tie it to their work. Trying to work within the framework of the world & communicating your aspirations & hopes is great.
> Minimizing the extent of political involvement makes any hobby or interest infinitely more enjoyable and less toxic,
Citation needed. Why? I don't feel this at all. It's great to see virtue sang forth, imo.
Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?
#34When you run a business, you can’t realistically perform background checks on every partner or contributor. Many people will have said or believed evil things. If a company starts politically vetting everyone it interacts with, it risks alienating large parts of society and undermining its mission. The best thing you can do is have dialogue with those people; not cancel them. It also seems like some of the criticism…
Are they really, really, doing so many donations, that they don't even know who they are donating to?
Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree that if people were able to keep their hate out of these spaces they would be much more pleasant for people to engage in.
That's not what either parent said, which you're well aware of. What you call "hate" others call "opinions" or is just completely unrelated to the topic at hand. Not everyone needs to care about what you care about in the same way. We're allowed to have differences and we're allowed to not care about those differences in some contexts in life.
I'm not opposed to people having different opinions. What I am opposed to is people making a space actively hostile to others and hiding behind their "freedom of opinion".
Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?
#36While it can certainly be difficult for anyone to be aware of intra-community drama (especially if it's in semi-transient media like Discord), the moment someone makes you aware of deeply problematic issues is the moment when you have to make a choice how to respond.
The fact that framework leadership responded to this by effectively downplaying the issues raised in the OP shows me that they are deeply misguided. Very disappointing.
Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?
#37Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?
#38While it can certainly be difficult for anyone to be aware of intra-community drama (especially if it's in semi-transient media like Discord), the moment someone makes you aware of deeply problematic issues is the moment when you have to make a choice how to respond. The fact that framework leadership responded to this by effectively downplaying the issues raised in the OP shows me that they are deeply misguided. Ver…
At the same time, you cannot fix everything, and you cannot always take a stance on any topic.
Also, depending on your own sensibility, anything can be extremist far right or extremist far left.
So yeah... Cut the framework people some slack.
Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?
#39Oh man... Technology has always been a refuge from politics for me. I know this is a childish view of the world, but still... Today the nerdiest of things are still filled with politics. Rust, nix, open source hardware... there is nowhere to "hide".
Everything is political, especially something like the open source world (explicitly). Trying to hide from politics is just naivety and gives space to bad actors.
> Everything is political
Nah, everything has been made political. And that's a big issue.
Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?
#40Oh man... Technology has always been a refuge from politics for me. I know this is a childish view of the world, but still... Today the nerdiest of things are still filled with politics. Rust, nix, open source hardware... there is nowhere to "hide".
Free software (that some people call "open-source") is exactly about your freedoms, i.e., it's inherently political.
It's about end-users' freedom though, in a technological sense, not really under other points of view.