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Devpush – Open-source and self-hostable alternative to Vercel, Render, Netlify

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Re: Devpush – Open-source and self-hostable alternative to Vercel, Render, Netlify

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Post by hunvreus »

oersted wrote: post #27

This is a great opportunity to get HN's take on these tools: systems to streamline the management of containerized services deployed on self-managed hardware. We've been running both CapRover and Coolify for a couple years. We quite like renting real dedicated servers (Hetzner, OVH), it is so much cheaper than the cloud and a minor management burden. These tools make it easy to bridge the gap and treat these physical…

/dev/push is really trying to recreate the UX of Vercel, so more user-friendly/prettier than CapRover..?

Additionally, for most cases you can select a runtime and deploy your app without any Docker config. Easier to get up and running if all you care about is deploy a Python/Go/Node.js app with simple requirements.

I do plan on offering the ability to use custom Docker images soon though.

Re: Devpush – Open-source and self-hostable alternative to Vercel, Render, Netlify

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Post by imcritic »

I struggle to grasp what it does. What's Vercel and what that does? Someone here in the comments mentioned coolify.io and Dokploy as more alternatives. None of those projects have a good description of what they do. They just "ship anything to anywhere". That's too broad, I need details, I need a short explanation of their basic mechanisms.

Tiresome!

Re: Devpush – Open-source and self-hostable alternative to Vercel, Render, Netlify

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Post by pjmlp »

cess11 wrote: post #29
pjmlp wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vercel is like other big corporations that places like HN and Reddit like to hate, most C suites signing off consulting contracts and partner deals couldn't care less. As such there are plenty of deployments, where the only deployment option is between Vercel, Netlify and co, usually Vercel ends up winning on the portfolio and partner deals. You don't see geeks selling their Apple gear in droves, despite the deals th…

What Apple executive has published photographs of themselves being giddy next to a person with an arrest warrant from the ICC?

This one, https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cp8zyyygxv7o

Re: Devpush – Open-source and self-hostable alternative to Vercel, Render, Netlify

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Post by sgarland »

h33t-l4x0r wrote: post #23
sgarland wrote: post #14

I get the appeal, but am also horrified at the “let’s pipe scripts to bash with sudo,” and the lack of visibility into what the DB is doing. I am a huge proponent of running your own, but along with that comes a responsibility to know what you’re doing. If you don’t know how to harden a Linux box on your own, frankly you have no business hosting anything on it. Spin up a VM and learn from your mistakes first. Similar…

Or better yet just have AI go over it, because who has the cognitive bandwidth to audit every FOSS project on top of everything else they have to get to today

This does not solve the problem of knowing what you’re doing. If anything it makes it worse, because you think you understand it.

Re: Devpush – Open-source and self-hostable alternative to Vercel, Render, Netlify

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Post by pjmlp »

hunvreus wrote: post #28
pjmlp wrote: post #22

What I actually miss in Vercel is the lack of exposure to the underlying AWS Lambda infrastructure, at very least similar set of languages should be supported.

Vercel does a ton of specialized work under the hood, not sure how much they could expose the underlying infra.

Easy, extend the list of options

https://vercel.com/docs/functions/runtimes

Go is in beta for years, for a company that depends so much on Rust tooling nowadays, I guess it would be about time that Rust would graduate out of a community runtime.

Also, their containers are based on Amazon Linux 2023, so they could also extend the support there.

https://vercel.com/docs/builds/build-image

For me, I see that as they pivoted from the early days of multiple runtimes, are nowadays focused on nodejs and they kind of still support multiple runtimes, but are not keen on improving what is already there.

Re: Devpush – Open-source and self-hostable alternative to Vercel, Render, Netlify

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Post by sgarland »

hunvreus wrote: post #17
sgarland wrote: post #14

I get the appeal, but am also horrified at the “let’s pipe scripts to bash with sudo,” and the lack of visibility into what the DB is doing. I am a huge proponent of running your own, but along with that comes a responsibility to know what you’re doing. If you don’t know how to harden a Linux box on your own, frankly you have no business hosting anything on it. Spin up a VM and learn from your mistakes first. Similar…

I have a draft ARCHITECTURE.md file in the repo: https://github.com/hunvreus/devpush/blob/main/ARCHITECTURE.m... I'm also working on adding manual steps so that folks who prefer to deploy the app themselves can do so. I initially had the app deployed with Terraform + Ansible, but rewrote it as a bash script as I thought it'd be lower friction.

Thanks for this. I want to clarify something: the “you” in my post was directed at users of a product like this, not you, the creator.

Re: lower friction, you’re probably correct, though that also brings with it concerns like those that I posted. While installing Terraform and Ansible isn’t difficult, it might keep people away who have no interest in any form of systems administration, and so we come full circle again.

Re: Devpush – Open-source and self-hostable alternative to Vercel, Render, Netlify

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Post by CuriouslyC »

felixgallo wrote: post #30
CuriouslyC wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not trying to be dismissive here but if you're deploying regularly and you have plans to scale anything putting the time into learn and automate K8s pays off very quickly. What you're doing here gives me ORM vibes - good for training wheels and helping people that don't know stuff to be productive quickly, but ultimately a source of lots of problems that you wouldn't encounter if you didn't invest in a leaky abstract…

Are you suggesting K8S is free of leaky abstractions?

I'm suggesting for this case it's closer to ground truth than a hand rolled Vercel clone, because it's been battle tested and tweaked HEAVILY.

Re: Devpush – Open-source and self-hostable alternative to Vercel, Render, Netlify

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Post by itsnowandnever »

pjmlp wrote: post #34
cess11 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What Apple executive has published photographs of themselves being giddy next to a person with an arrest warrant from the ICC?

This one, https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cp8zyyygxv7o

obviously not the same
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