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Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works

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Re: Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works

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Post by Yiin »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #18
eambutu wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't speak for other people, but our strong opinion about how companies should work is to reduce the massive amount of chores and tedium that exist in our work days today. With the company GPT, we want to tackle things like: 1.) having to answer a repeated question from a colleague, 2.) answering questions to coworkers that are purely informational, and eventually 3.) things like standup updates, written updates t…

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what's your point, you ask for strong opinion without any context, what answer do you expect?

Re: Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works

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Post by Fischgericht »

jychang wrote: post #30
Fischgericht wrote: post #29

Offer self-hosted and I would buy. Do not assume that companies are willing to put ALL of their intellectual property into your hands. Even if you would not be some startup where any sysadmin could steal and sell my data any time without you even noticing it, you will get hacked just like everyone else that stores interesting data. The data you have access to is absolutely perfect for the global data blackmailing gan…

Onyx.app has a self hosted option. I just did the docker setup yesterday. It’s not a great home user option imo but seems like it’s functional for enterprise.

Just had a quick look - while they have that self-hosting option, they still assume you will use a cloud LLM. I started digging because I got confused of them not mentioning any GPU when it comes to resource requirements. There is some documentation on using it fully self-hosted including the LLM, but the emphasis here is on "some".

To be clear: I am looking at this from a CEO perspective, not a "I will play with it in my spare time" nerd one.

Re: Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works

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Post by rakeshraghu »

Fischgericht wrote: post #29

Offer self-hosted and I would buy. Do not assume that companies are willing to put ALL of their intellectual property into your hands. Even if you would not be some startup where any sysadmin could steal and sell my data any time without you even noticing it, you will get hacked just like everyone else that stores interesting data. The data you have access to is absolutely perfect for the global data blackmailing gan…

controlcore.io was brought to the market for the same exact reason. Not AI Powered, but to control AI and its interactions with your Data, APIs,. Applications etc. And yes, we just give our service as a self-hostable solution. However is the encryption and SOC compliance be, we want our clients to know that none of their internal data or interaction transaction leave their control.

Re: Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works

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Post by jagged-chisel »

pmdr wrote: post #32

">85% of answers are helpful & accurate" People can usually tell if an answer isn't helpful, but not always that it isn't accurate. Depending on the context, 85% accurate might not be good enough.

95% of answers could be accurate. Combined with the 85% that are helpful and you have “85% of answers are helpful & accurate.”

Re: Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works

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Post by htrp »

eambutu wrote: post #24
htrp wrote: post #19

Was a huge fan of gather.town, is this the official notice that it's going into maintenance mode?

The Gather work product is unfortunately going into maintenance mode. We still have a strong team working on the core AV and performance, and the business is very decent and more than supports that team (and we still use the Gather product heavily ourselves). However, it didn't reach the growth trajectory we needed, so a majority of the company will be working on Grapevine + new products instead.

Is there a recommended migration path ? or another product that you would suggest here?

Re: Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works

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Post by Ucalegon »

eambutu wrote: post #8
zwaps wrote: post #3

Interesting to see this now launching, when most companies have their own customGPT solution and MCP makes headway towards decoupling the frontend layer. Data seems to be stored outside of the customers control, so this will be a difficult sell for many companies. What type of businesses are you targeting?

In terms of what businesses we're targeting: we wanted to provide either 1.) a turnkey solution for a company GPT for all the people who don't have it yet, or 2.) a higher quality company GPT for people who do have an internal solution. Our sense is that ~70% knowledge companies at large still don't have a custom GPT yet, and that of the people who do, our system can be more performant because we're spending more eff…

Please look into the Zero Data Retention policies of the subprocessors that you are using. For example, Open AI does not include files as falling under their ZDR [1], thus utilizing OAI as an LLM solution inherently adds unnecessary risk of data exposure that many enterprise clients do no want to onboard. Also, you have to think about those companies obligation to their clients/customers when it comes to data security, along with the risk of IP being exposed to 3rd party systems that they do not have control over, when they make their decisions when it comes to utilizing various business solutions.

[1] https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/your-data#zero-data-...

Re: Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works

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Post by eambutu »

Fischgericht wrote: post #29

Offer self-hosted and I would buy. Do not assume that companies are willing to put ALL of their intellectual property into your hands. Even if you would not be some startup where any sysadmin could steal and sell my data any time without you even noticing it, you will get hacked just like everyone else that stores interesting data. The data you have access to is absolutely perfect for the global data blackmailing gan…

Yep, makes a lot of sense. We architected our system to be easy to self-host & open-source in the future for this very reason, though we decided to launch with hosted because it's easier to improve and iterate.

Re: Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works

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Post by eambutu »

pmdr wrote: post #32

">85% of answers are helpful & accurate" People can usually tell if an answer isn't helpful, but not always that it isn't accurate. Depending on the context, 85% accurate might not be good enough.

Yep, the other commenter is right--85% is helpful AND accurate. I'd love for you to give it a try and see if 85% is not good enough though. There's always more to push on quality and the more real feedback we get the better we can prioritize what people need.

Re: Launch HN: Grapevine (YC S19) – A company GPT that actually works

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Post by eambutu »

htrp wrote: post #36
eambutu wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Gather work product is unfortunately going into maintenance mode. We still have a strong team working on the core AV and performance, and the business is very decent and more than supports that team (and we still use the Gather product heavily ourselves). However, it didn't reach the growth trajectory we needed, so a majority of the company will be working on Grapevine + new products instead.

Is there a recommended migration path ? or another product that you would suggest here?

Ah to be clear, the team is staffed well enough on Gather that the experience will be equal, if not better, than what you've been using already. So we haven't been telling customers to migrate (and unfortunately, there aren't many good alternative products right now).
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