Sora Update #1 • Hacker News Board

Re: Sora Update #1

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Post by timschmidt » Sat, Oct 04, 2025, 2:22 AM UTC

musicale wrote: post #25

roxolotl wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s telling to how society values copyright of different media that 4 years into people yelling about these being copyright violation machines the first time there’s been an emergency copyright update has been with video.

"Hi, as the company that bragged about how we had ripped off Studio Ghibli, and encouraged you to make as many still frames as possible, we would now like to say that you are making too many fake Disney films and we want you to stop."

Cue an open weights model from Qwen or DeepSeek with none of these limitations.

Re: Sora Update #1

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Post by g42gregory » Sat, Oct 04, 2025, 2:25 AM UTC

It is already illegal to use images in somebody's likeness for commercial purposes or purposes that harm their reputation, could be confusing, etc... Basically the only times you could use these images are for some parodies, for public figures, and fair use.

Now, the OpenAI will be lecturing their own users, while expecting them to make them rich. I suspect, the users will find it insulting.

Generation for personal use is not illegal, as far as I know.

Re: Sora Update #1

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Post by _fs » Sat, Oct 04, 2025, 2:26 AM UTC

is it still invite only? I tried downloading the app to give it a whirl, but apparently you need a code to even open the app

Re: Sora Update #1

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Post by mrcwinn » Sat, Oct 04, 2025, 2:33 AM UTC

dgs_sgd wrote: post #15

minimaxir wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI likely intended users to post every video they make to the public feed instead of just using the app as a free video generator. (i.e. Midjourney) Of course, another reason that people don’t publish their generated videos is because they are bad. I may or may not be speaking from experience.

Can confirm.. I got access to the app yesterday and I have used it exclusively for making drafts and sending them to my friends without posting.

100%. I’m not comfortable sharing likeness of myself publicly. I send goofy stuff to friends. That was day 1, at least.

Day 2+ I haven’t used the app again.

Re: Sora Update #1

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Post by stogot » Sat, Oct 04, 2025, 2:35 AM UTC

tkamado wrote: post #24

The OpenAI dream: replace your job with AI, replace your free time with AI slop?

And replace rightsholders with “maybe we will try to revenue share… maybe”

Re: Sora Update #1

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Post by mallowdram » Sat, Oct 04, 2025, 2:43 AM UTC

It began as floor wax now it's a dessert topping.

Re: Sora Update #1

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Post by adriand » Sat, Oct 04, 2025, 2:43 AM UTC

CPLX wrote: post #22

minimaxir wrote: post #2

Yeah, Nintendo called, and faster than expected. > People are generating much more than we expected per user, and a lot of videos are being generated for very small audiences. What did OpenAI expect, really? They imposed no meaningful generation limits and and "very small audiences" is literally the point of an invite-only program.

Indeed. If you read between the lines that’s clearly it. And on that note can I add how much I truly despise sentences like this: > We are hearing from a lot of rightsholders who are very excited for this new kind of "interactive fan fiction" and think this new kind of engagement will accrue a lot of value to them, but want the ability to specify how their characters can be used (including not at all). To me this sen…

> To me this sentence sums up a certain kind of passive aggressive California, Silicon Valley, sociopathic way of communicating with people that just makes my skin crawl.

To me that's Sam Altman in a nutshell. I remember listening to an extended interview with him and I felt creeped out by the end of it. The film Mountainhead does a great job capturing this.

Re: Sora Update #1

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Post by ronsor » Sat, Oct 04, 2025, 2:46 AM UTC

roxolotl wrote: post #17

geraldalewis wrote: post #3

> rightsholders

It’s telling to how society values copyright of different media that 4 years into people yelling about these being copyright violation machines the first time there’s been an emergency copyright update has been with video.

The only thing we need is an emergency copyright deprecation.

Re: Sora Update #1

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Post by rafram » Sat, Oct 04, 2025, 2:47 AM UTC

dwohnitmok wrote: post #29

minimaxir wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sam says Sora 2 has to make money but there is no revenue model that can feasibly offset a $4-5 compute cost per video.

With some back of the napkin math, I am pretty sure you're off by at least two orders of magnitude, conceivably 4. I think 2 cents per video is an upper limit. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45434298 Generally speaking, API costs that the consumer sees are way higher than compute costs that the provider pays. EDIT: Upper limit on pure on-going compute cost. If you factor in chip capital costs as another comment…

You also aren’t including amortized training costs, which are immense (and likely ongoing as they continue to tweak the model).

Re: Sora Update #1

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Post by solid_fuel » Sat, Oct 04, 2025, 2:56 AM UTC

minimaxir wrote: post #28

CompoundEyes wrote: post #27

I don't have access but it seems you can impose a friend into a video? Are we not rightsholders to our own likeness? It seems like a person should be able to block a video someone shares without their consent or earn revenue then if their likeness is used.

You have to explicitly opt into sharing your likeness with permission controls. > person should be able to block a video someone shares without their consent That is already implemented.

> You have to explicitly opt into sharing your likeness with permission controls.

Ok... how is that supposed to work? I don't have an OpenAI account, there are no permission controls for me. Someone else could easily upload a picture of me, no?