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The biggest sign of an AI bubble is starting to appear – debt

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Re: The biggest sign of an AI bubble is starting to appear – debt

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I hope it all burns. Zero sympathy whatsoever for AI-anything. It's all a heaping pile of trash.

You're hoping for a full on market crash? I don't mind AI hype companies crashing, would probably low key enjoy it with popcorn. But from what I understand, it's not that localised.

Yeah it will be funny. I couldn't care less. My tea and tobacco will still be just as cheap as it ever was. I'll still be playing my lute on the porch, unaffected.

Re: The biggest sign of an AI bubble is starting to appear – debt

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Dang. My kids are just getting the hang of using ChatGPT as a way to generate random quizzes and additional homework problems; to the point where both of them just automatically use the AI to "fill in the gaps" each evening. (Prior to AI, additional HW was met with less enthusiasm than you'd think!) I told my wife that the billionaire class spent the last few decades cheating the tax system (and, thus, the education…

It absolutely won't go away.

Even if OpenAI folds, the open source stuff is good enough that someone will build a compelling tutor platform in their place. It probably already exists.

Re: The biggest sign of an AI bubble is starting to appear – debt

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I hope it all burns. Zero sympathy whatsoever for AI-anything. It's all a heaping pile of trash.

You hope the garbage heap surrounding your house burns?

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Re: The biggest sign of an AI bubble is starting to appear – debt

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The entire US stock market and economy is being prompted by AI since 2022.

I think that the Economist posted some months ago a study that indicated that without datacenter capex booming the US economy would otherwise be flat.

At some point there will be major shakeups.

Re: The biggest sign of an AI bubble is starting to appear – debt

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The current bubble is getting scary. When this thing pops the blast it’s going to be a real mess. The big tech firms will hurt, fire some execs in a show of “making changes,” do a bunch of layoffs across “AI” teams to show the market they’re pivoting and getting costs in order, and move on. The startups ecosystem will suffer extensive and catastrophic damage. The funding ecosystem will be set back years as this wipes…

> but the most experienced trusted folks I know are already repositioning themselves to weather the upcoming storm.

Repositioning in what way?

Re: The biggest sign of an AI bubble is starting to appear – debt

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The current bubble is getting scary. When this thing pops the blast it’s going to be a real mess. The big tech firms will hurt, fire some execs in a show of “making changes,” do a bunch of layoffs across “AI” teams to show the market they’re pivoting and getting costs in order, and move on. The startups ecosystem will suffer extensive and catastrophic damage. The funding ecosystem will be set back years as this wipes…

> The funding ecosystem will be set back years as this wipes out a bunch of VCs and investors

I don’t think this is likely. We’ve seen VCs overextend into social networks, “sharing economy”, B2BSAAS, machine learning, developer tools, video games and crypto, in the last 15 years, and they have very little to show for it. Something new will come along and they’ll invest in that.

Re: The biggest sign of an AI bubble is starting to appear – debt

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> I hope I’m wrong I kind of hope you're right. Any "hyped" industry/sector is bound to eventually needing to get back to reality, and focus on things that actually work, rather than spraying and praying prototypes and over-hyping them. The individuals and companies building real products that actually improve something will stick around, either as they are, or at least as ideas, and most of the interesting stuff ten…

> I kind of hope you're right. I couldn't care less if big tech gets knocked down a peg, but in many quarters the AI boom is what's keeping the lights on. A market correction of that magnitude would mean a lot of pain for a lot of normal people, it's not exactly something I'm cheering on...

If the hype doesn't line up with the fundamentals, then the bubble will have to burst sooner or later.

Re: The biggest sign of an AI bubble is starting to appear – debt

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The current bubble is getting scary. When this thing pops the blast it’s going to be a real mess. The big tech firms will hurt, fire some execs in a show of “making changes,” do a bunch of layoffs across “AI” teams to show the market they’re pivoting and getting costs in order, and move on. The startups ecosystem will suffer extensive and catastrophic damage. The funding ecosystem will be set back years as this wipes…

> this wipes out a bunch of VCs and investors

Hard to see this as a bad thing.

Re: The biggest sign of an AI bubble is starting to appear – debt

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The thing is, the models do work. They add value to me each and every day, to a degree almost no other tech has done before. But that doesn't take away the fact that this is extremely expensive stuff (not for me, but for the companies pushing the envelope), far too expensive. And it is really taking its toll on other resources, like electricity.

No question that neural networks can add value, as has been true for a long time. The question is, how much? The current expenditures indicate that the answer is, "trillions of dollars worth".

If you call it "neural networks" or "large language models" or "machine learning", this would sound absurd. Only by calling it "AI" (with the implication that it will achieve general intelligence) does this sound, for most people, possibly correct.

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