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Class Dismissed: Profile of Joe Liemandt and Alpha School

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Re: Class Dismissed: Profile of Joe Liemandt and Alpha School

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How do the kids not from wealthy backgrounds pay? Is there some kind of scholarship program? Do you know what proportion of kids are in that?

There is an internal financial aid. I don’t know the qualifications for it but I know it’s used extensively. What’s wild.. at Alpha. Money is no issue or object of discussion other than my oldest coming home with 2k on a Venmo for scoring 100% on the Star test. Or the kids dream up that they want to do a life skill challenge in Montana camping off the grid.. anything is possible! Now let’s jump to the public magnet s…

Why did you transition out? How did the kids deal with it?

Re: Class Dismissed: Profile of Joe Liemandt and Alpha School

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And he's an AI guy pushing AI things in an AI hype cycle. That said, some combination of AI + Wikipedia could probably do amazing things for teaching a student. Here's the thing: if the student trusts that he can ask any stupid question to an AI, a well trained one can probably walk students through concepts in any of thousands of different questions asked by previous students and lead them through to the end goal. I…

He is not AI guy. SalesBuilder is a constraint solver, not AI, not even an expert system.

From the article though, Joe Liemandt and an AI enthusiast now and funding a lot of work on educational software assuming AI is the answer.

The software alone seems not to be the answer, though.

Re: Class Dismissed: Profile of Joe Liemandt and Alpha School

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There is an internal financial aid. I don’t know the qualifications for it but I know it’s used extensively. What’s wild.. at Alpha. Money is no issue or object of discussion other than my oldest coming home with 2k on a Venmo for scoring 100% on the Star test. Or the kids dream up that they want to do a life skill challenge in Montana camping off the grid.. anything is possible! Now let’s jump to the public magnet s…

Why did you transition out? How did the kids deal with it?

For the oldest… The primary driver for us was realizing that most alternative learning models just don’t align well (maybe id say incompatible) with the structure of college/higher education. Things like homework, progressing through subjects without full mastery, or being required to read material you’re not interested in... are all givens. You’ll have to take notes while someone lectures at the front of the room (maybe with an accent you dont understand) and juggle five different subjects a day, each squeezed into an hour-long block. The momentum and constructs of higher-ed and the teaching scaffolding is the way it has been for decades... and to be frank I didn't want her getting introduced to this her freshman year. Its just not the "real world" of academics. (insert here, why go to college argument)

For the youngest… Her abilities consistently surpassed what the grade levels could accommodate, and she often found herself operating outside the norm for what the "level" is designed to do. In this situation, there’s something to be said for an experienced teacher—someone who’s worked with tens of thousands of students over their career and can provide personalized challenges that push her toward excellence.... IMO there is no magic bullet here and even if there was, it's not probably scalable. It’s a level of growth that goes beyond what algorithm based scoring can offer... being a tech guy and fully understanding the school and the tech... it's a difficult problem. It's even difficult to explain (for me) Maybe it’s one of those “slow down to speed up” scenarios.

On the practical... once one kids is out they both need to be. Alpha has 6 weeks on, 1 week off.. different summer and spring breaks from the school system so it would be insane to try and support that on a calendar alone. -- The central idea is that whether it’s Alpha or a public school, everything hinges on having teachers/guides who hold themselves and their students to the highest standards... lets call it excellence. In my opinion, teachers should likely earn two to three times their current salaries, similar to Alpha. With this substantial pay increase, there should also come higher expectations for merit-based excellence, rather than teaching being seen as just another job... or worse.. Teaching should be a respected, high-value $$ profession. It should be challenging to become a teacher and equally challenging to remain one, but the rewards should be dramatically reimagined compared to what we see today. Im aware this is not just a simple choice but it should be something we figure out...

Re: Class Dismissed: Profile of Joe Liemandt and Alpha School

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That article mentions family income as possible confounder only once, while in an article of this extent I would expect it to appear dozens of times and be the central point. You simply cannot draw conclusions from comparing general populations and kids in schools that cost $500k for a 13-grade education, or that cost any amount. Students from low income households have so many headwinds. They don't come to school be…

A couple of thoughts based on my own experience, as both of my girls attended Alpha for 4 and 5 years. First, not all the students come from wealthy backgrounds, which is a common assumption. Second, while the school emphasizes 2-3 hours of intensive computer and AI-driven learning, there are other critical aspects to the model. For instance, their approach is based on 100% mastery—students only move forward once the…

> No politics, no gender or race or religious distractions.

Sounds like you have had a near-fatal dose of this off-brand Kool-Aid.

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