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A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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petermcneeley wrote: post #27

What if it is more like Vegeta's super saiyan 2. A false super saiyan 2 form. Just like the real SS2 maintains both power and agility the real Übermensch will attain new levels of IQ while maintaining if not advancing a strong EQ. https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_Second_Grade

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Re: A human-accelerated neuron type potentially underlying autism in humans

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Post by cwmoore »

ok_dad wrote: post #23
userbinator wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or "there's a fine line between genius and insanity".

It’s kind of rude to equate autism with “insanity”, but I understand you probably didn’t mean it that way.

Bit more than rude, historically.

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Post by Insanity »

petermcneeley wrote: post #27

What if it is more like Vegeta's super saiyan 2. A false super saiyan 2 form. Just like the real SS2 maintains both power and agility the real Übermensch will attain new levels of IQ while maintaining if not advancing a strong EQ. https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_Second_Grade

lol that’s an interesting comparison. Another angle is that our categorization of what is atypical is the actual problem, and not the symptom itself.

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Post by PaulHoule »

ok_dad wrote: post #22
ACCount37 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there now? High functioning autism exists, but autism in general doesn't seem to give any advantage to general intelligence. And the low end of functioning in autism is really, really low.

The spectrum doesn’t work that way, it’s more like a grab bag of traits than a “low to high” thing. High functioning is often just a way to dismiss the needs for certain autistic individuals who can mask very well.

I'd say otherwise. My wife has a student in her riding academy who is a severely autistic adult who is not independent and gets intensive support from her mom and aides that she hires who turn over rapidly because of the difficulty of the job. She has several seizures on some days. One beautiful day when they were tacking up the horse she thought it was a great day to take a walk (it was!) and took off down the driveway and they pressed me into service looking for her. She wandered onto the neighbor's property and when they asked her what was up she took one of them by the arm and started walking back to our place, she then let go of their arm and grabbed onto mine and I brought her back to everyone's relief.

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Post by jiggawatts »

ACCount37 wrote: post #4
mikert89 wrote: post #2

Pretty clear theres a tradeoff between social intelligence and other forms of intelligence

Is there now? High functioning autism exists, but autism in general doesn't seem to give any advantage to general intelligence. And the low end of functioning in autism is really, really low.

An observation I've made is that the most people ("the general population") will compromise on hard facts without pause to attain social goals. I.e.: They will follow instructions from a workplace superior with zero push-back even if the instructions are total nonsense or impossible to physically implement.

It's a rare breed (1-2%) of the population that will actively push back, insist on facts, and stick to only the "hard, unyielding reality" of physics, chemistry, mathematics, physics, logic, etc...

There is a very high correlation between these types of people and autistic people.

You have to not care about how other people "feel" or what their conflicting priorities might be to prioritise reality above the personal whims of others.

To be truly intelligent, you have to be able to call the emperor naked.

PS: It's easy to disagree with the above, but this is invariably an instance of "the fish is the last to know it lives in water" idiom. Something like 80% of the adult population goes along with Santa for Grownups because of peer pressure, also known as "mainstream religions". Don't get me started on partisan voting against one's own interests. Etc...

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Post by al_borland »

dyauspitr wrote: post #9
mikert89 wrote: post #2

Pretty clear theres a tradeoff between social intelligence and other forms of intelligence

Einstein seemed to have absolutely no problems with his social life. Newton on the other hand lived and died alone, possibly a virgin.

That’s called masking.

I have level 1 ASD and rated pretty high in masking when tested. I show up the way I’m expected to show up. I don’t let people see what it costs me. I deal with that later in private.

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Post by eru »

jongjong wrote: post #5

This makes sense. I do feel like intelligence has hard limits. Maybe knowledge doesn't have limits but intelligence definitely feels like it has limits. If you consider IQ tests, a lot of it is about seeing a sequence and seeing all possible patterns and then figuring out which one is the most certain/obvious based on the limited sample given. One could imagine all sorts of complex patterns beyond the 'correct answer…

You could imagine that an ever more intelligent person could solve your IQ test pattern puzzle quicker and quicker, or could solve bigger and bigger puzzles of this kind.

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Post by monkeycantype »

as I dabble with neural networks, I keep having these moments where i wonder, is this what I am? (a neural net) And it has begun to make we wonder in an entirely unscientific manner, whether a large part of what notice as neurodivergence, is not the core divergence from 'typical', but something emergent from that difference, that we are noticing is that we are interacting with a mind that has trained with an uncommon loss function, on different features of reality. There is only some much space in one head and so depending on what apsects of reality we are drawn to poetry,football,horseriding,music,art,software,cooking,farming,other people we end up very different people
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