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Re: How did Renaissance fairs begin?

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Theoretically it's Renaissance rather than Medieval. And English Renaissance at that, which is well after the Renaissance was well underway in Italy. But most RenFests seem to cover a period of about 500 years, plus a fair bit of outright fantasy. At least at my local one, there is a Court playing out a fictional version of a real event early in the reign of Henry VIII, a period right on the cusp which I would call m…

Maryland?

Yep. I gather it's one of the better ones. It's certainly insanely popular. It practically sells out its entire season before it even opens.

And I have never once been aware of the Court. I know about it only because I have friends in it. They put a lot of effort into that story line.

Re: How did Renaissance fairs begin?

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Maryland?

Yep. I gather it's one of the better ones. It's certainly insanely popular. It practically sells out its entire season before it even opens. And I have never once been aware of the Court. I know about it only because I have friends in it. They put a lot of effort into that story line.

I just started going a few years back and I agree, it is really well done. One of my neighbors is the king’s main guard, so we get all sorts of behind the scenes anecdotes at the kids’ bus stop in the morning.

Re: How did Renaissance fairs begin?

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What interests me is why humans crave this one time in history (medieval?). It’s old enough to be different than now but not old enough to be like caveman times? Lower technology than now but not no technology. Do people in other countries that aren’t western civilization have similar cravings for that era or an era like it?

Similarly why do people dress up as pirates and Vikings for Halloween? We're talking about gangs of armed robbers who engaged in rape, pillage, murder, and slaving.

They aren't dressing up as actual pirates and vikings, they're dressing up as fictional archetypes inspired by stuff like Pirates of the Caribbean and How to Train Your Dragon.

Halloween pirates are as different from real pirates as Star Wars Stormtroopers are from real-life stormtroopers.

Re: How did Renaissance fairs begin?

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What interests me is why humans crave this one time in history (medieval?). It’s old enough to be different than now but not old enough to be like caveman times? Lower technology than now but not no technology. Do people in other countries that aren’t western civilization have similar cravings for that era or an era like it?

A lot of fairy tales in the West take place in a "medieval mythical time" as I call it: Snow White, Jack and the Beanstalk, Rapunzel, Beauty and the Beast, Cinderella etc. Not sure how many children are still reading or hearing those these days but I think that generates some of the interest. The women can still pretend to be Cinderella and men get to pretend to be knights or Robin Hood and such.

Yeah. I think this setting goes from like… the fall of western Rome to the Early Modern period, haha. (I mean, King Arthur stories have been reimagined with Arthur as a Roman or somebody filling the vacuum of them leaving Britain, so it must bump up against that side).

Re: How did Renaissance fairs begin?

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What interests me is why humans crave this one time in history (medieval?). It’s old enough to be different than now but not old enough to be like caveman times? Lower technology than now but not no technology. Do people in other countries that aren’t western civilization have similar cravings for that era or an era like it?

> What interests me is why humans crave this one time in history (medieval?). Based on the OP, it sounds like it's nothing special about the time period. It sounds like someone put one on as a one time event then it became regular event. People think they're fun, and it spread. > It’s old enough to be different than now but not old enough to be like caveman times? Ancient Greece/Rome would also fit that bill, but I h…

You've probably heard of Carnival, which served as a sort of Roman ren faire for renaissance Italians.

Re: How did Renaissance fairs begin?

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What interests me is why humans crave this one time in history (medieval?). It’s old enough to be different than now but not old enough to be like caveman times? Lower technology than now but not no technology. Do people in other countries that aren’t western civilization have similar cravings for that era or an era like it?

first off, as a ren fest veteran, it's easier to just take "renaissance" to mean "basically any time between the collapse of rome and world war i, also with the possibility of time travellers and things that never existed in the first place and anachronisms like turkeys in pre-Colombian England" and take "Renaissance" with the capital "r" to mean "from the 1300s to roughly the discovery of the new world"

Second, I think it's an interesting question to ask if people craved this particular past or if they just craved a space where everything is vastly different and settled on this period because it's pretty firmly embedded in our cultural mythology and everyone has an idea, however historically inaccurate, of what this time period was like. I think it's less that we built it because this is specifically what we want and more that this was waiting for us to materialize it. The majority of what people get from the ren fest isn't renaissance specific, it's just about going to a place that's different enough to be novel and exciting but familiar enough to be comfortable. I think that if we did a Flintstone Fest where we all dressed as cave folk that would be similar enough that you have people who go to both. In fact I may be a little biased because I actually like to bring a caveman character to our local fest's time traveller's weekend. It's fun to turn the conceit on its head by walking around acting amazed at how advanced everything is. I could also foresee a successful Old West Fest. All time periods that are vastly different than now, but with a familiarity from being studied, stereotyped and riffed on in the common culture. A comfortable elsewhere and elsewhen.

Re: How did Renaissance fairs begin?

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Loads fine for me.

I'm guessing this is a complaint about a full-screen ad that history.com is running. I can't confirm because I have like 5 different layers of ad-blocking that I'm not going to turn off to check this, but here's what the page looks like from a Finnish server: https://pikwy.com/web/68dd4ace6c4fe212122bdfe2

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Re: How did Renaissance fairs begin?

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What interests me is why humans crave this one time in history (medieval?). It’s old enough to be different than now but not old enough to be like caveman times? Lower technology than now but not no technology. Do people in other countries that aren’t western civilization have similar cravings for that era or an era like it?

There's just something appealing about this period of time before all the modern technological "evils" seemed to take over: capitalism, firearms, factories, etc. And it's particularly romantic in terms of castles, knights, and clothing. Of course it's not exactly historically accurate. E.g. firearms were definitely a thing at the time, but the fairs focus on swords, shields, and bows.

In reality though, feudalism was just one notch above pastoral slavery. You had no rights, most people were trapped into poverty and bound to a plot of land to work on the rest of their lives. The vast majority were not nobility so were given breadcrumbs. Wars were brutal and constant, bows were as deadly as firearms for a couple centuries, as evidenced by the Commanche even into the 1800s (they took more skill to train though). Only after capitalism and factories did anyone get empowered to improve this situation.

Re: How did Renaissance fairs begin?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's just something appealing about this period of time before all the modern technological "evils" seemed to take over: capitalism, firearms, factories, etc. And it's particularly romantic in terms of castles, knights, and clothing. Of course it's not exactly historically accurate. E.g. firearms were definitely a thing at the time, but the fairs focus on swords, shields, and bows.

In reality though, feudalism was just one notch above pastoral slavery. You had no rights, most people were trapped into poverty and bound to a plot of land to work on the rest of their lives. The vast majority were not nobility so were given breadcrumbs. Wars were brutal and constant, bows were as deadly as firearms for a couple centuries, as evidenced by the Commanche even into the 1800s (they took more skill to tr…

Oh, absolutely. But here everybody gets to cosplay as nobility -- knights and princesses and such. Or the "saucy wench" in the tavern, or the court jester or whatever. And merchants.

It's definitely about the pre-industrial courtly romanticism of it, not the reality of an average person at the time.

Re: How did Renaissance fairs begin?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's just something appealing about this period of time before all the modern technological "evils" seemed to take over: capitalism, firearms, factories, etc. And it's particularly romantic in terms of castles, knights, and clothing. Of course it's not exactly historically accurate. E.g. firearms were definitely a thing at the time, but the fairs focus on swords, shields, and bows.

In reality though, feudalism was just one notch above pastoral slavery. You had no rights, most people were trapped into poverty and bound to a plot of land to work on the rest of their lives. The vast majority were not nobility so were given breadcrumbs. Wars were brutal and constant, bows were as deadly as firearms for a couple centuries, as evidenced by the Commanche even into the 1800s (they took more skill to tr…

Everyone at a fair is a noble, or merchant. Very had very different rights, and a much better lifestyle (realistically common merchants were probably worse off, but we pretend they were better). The peasants were not invited to see a joust - some did see it, but only because they were servants who's job happen to put them in the right spot.
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