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Re: Open Social

#31

Post by jpereira »

jrm4 wrote: post #2

This is such an important idea -- and yet I feel like the hyper-individualized "bluesky" implementation pictured is a less good practical idea than Mastodons more "server/host" way of doing things. I get that theoretically the two should be similar or even identical in practice, but I feel like the way Bluesky goes so hard at "literally individuals maintain control over their own stuff" is kinda too hard for most, an…

In my view the atproto approach asks the users to make fewer required complex decisions, but gives them the freedom to make many voluntary ones. If someone wants to use a particular application, they basically just need to sign in. If they don't have an existing ATProto account, they can just make one, in the flow of the application they're signing into. Later they can chose different clients, or different infrastructure, or move their account, to their own hosting even if they want.

Mastodon requires a complex decision upfront, which server do I trust, which is analogous to where you create your account on ATProto, but unlike ATProto, doesn't give the tools to seamlessly transition later.

The trust lens I think is a good one. You want to let different users make different tradeoffs in effort without having that leading to a worse experience..

Re: Open Social

#32

Post by Kye »

mcny wrote: post #4

Now here is a controversial question... Can we have a free of cost top level domain? What are the actual costs associated with registering a domain? If let's encrypt can provide secure certificates free of cost, why can't a different no profit provide domains free of cost as well? It doesn't have to be pretty. It could be a UUID v7 stacked on top of another UUID v7 for all I care but it would be globally unique and a…

It's been tried. People quickly distribute a JavaScript snippet to remove whatever monetization you put on there, as Namezero discovered.

Re: Open Social

#33

Post by ceayo »

mcny wrote: post #4

Now here is a controversial question... Can we have a free of cost top level domain? What are the actual costs associated with registering a domain? If let's encrypt can provide secure certificates free of cost, why can't a different no profit provide domains free of cost as well? It doesn't have to be pretty. It could be a UUID v7 stacked on top of another UUID v7 for all I care but it would be globally unique and a…

Maybe AT over TOR? A hidden domain / onion address is totally free... I would supporting this a really nice enhancement to the protocol.

Re: Open Social

#34

Post by jrowen »

Open source has clearly won.

This is clearly a wild claim that almost undermines the rest of the argument, but to the extent that we can accept that there are open source software packages that decision-makers deep in that industry will reliably choose for their business...it's not clear how this revolution will extend to "regular people." They just want easy. Make something as easy and fun as Instagram. They don't give a crap about all this, they don't want to think about it.

Re: Open Social

#35

Post by dingnuts »

LightChaser wrote: post #10

Sadly, it's hard to imagine a world where something like this will ever catch on. The target audience for "traditional" social media is very different from the niche of people who want decentralized social media. Most people just use social media as a means to an end and don't really care about the systems behind it. If the answer is that most people should just make a bluesky account, that defeats the whole purpose…

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Re: Open Social

#37

Post by pelagicAustral »

mcny wrote: post #4

Now here is a controversial question... Can we have a free of cost top level domain? What are the actual costs associated with registering a domain? If let's encrypt can provide secure certificates free of cost, why can't a different no profit provide domains free of cost as well? It doesn't have to be pretty. It could be a UUID v7 stacked on top of another UUID v7 for all I care but it would be globally unique and a…

There was a .FREE initiative but that got all weird after a while, the deadlines were not respected and then nothing happened... https://icannwiki.org/.free

Re: Open Social

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Post by numpad0 »

mcny wrote: post #4

Now here is a controversial question... Can we have a free of cost top level domain? What are the actual costs associated with registering a domain? If let's encrypt can provide secure certificates free of cost, why can't a different no profit provide domains free of cost as well? It doesn't have to be pretty. It could be a UUID v7 stacked on top of another UUID v7 for all I care but it would be globally unique and a…

That's almost like regular free dynamic DNS, just people don't mentally frame "example.dyndns.net" as their online "handle"

Re: Open Social

#39

Post by koolba »

notatoad wrote: post #9
mcny wrote: post #4

Now here is a controversial question... Can we have a free of cost top level domain? What are the actual costs associated with registering a domain? If let's encrypt can provide secure certificates free of cost, why can't a different no profit provide domains free of cost as well? It doesn't have to be pretty. It could be a UUID v7 stacked on top of another UUID v7 for all I care but it would be globally unique and a…

running a domain costs money. there's no way around that - it requires server resources to respond to dns queries, and that requires servers and electricity. so to offer it for free means somebody has to subsidize it. letsencrypt can operate because big companies with lots of money want their ads to be delivered without being intercepted by an ISP. what's the motivation for anybody to subsidize free domains?

> running a domain costs money. there's no way around that - it requires server resources to respond to dns queries, and that requires servers and electricity.

I guarantee you I can store and make available over DNS the less than 1 KiB of data for less than a penny a year.

Instead of free, charge a flat $1, put it in long term US treasuries at 5% / TIPS at 2.5% and you’ve covered your hosting costs forever. The principle will never need to be touched.

Re: Open Social

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Post by pfraze »

jrowen wrote: post #34

Open source has clearly won. This is clearly a wild claim that almost undermines the rest of the argument, but to the extent that we can accept that there are open source software packages that decision-makers deep in that industry will reliably choose for their business...it's not clear how this revolution will extend to "regular people." They just want easy. Make something as easy and fun as Instagram. They don't g…

That first point is so true, as a programmer I never use open source
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