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Re: Denmark shuts multiple airports, more unidentified drones spotted

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Post by Tankenstein »

shmerl wrote: post #25
trhway wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Summit in Shanghai there Xi gave ok to probe and harass NATO, immediately 20 intelligence drones 100+ miles deep into Poland, 3 fighter jets 10 minutes into Estonia airspace. (Those actions already triggered kneejerk in NATO to give first priority to beefing up NATO countries' air defenses instead of supplying air-defense systems to Ukraine). Add to that cyberattack on the airports 3 days ago and now massive drones i…

Turkey taught Putin what should happen to his military airplanes that violate their airspace. Putin got the message very quickly. Europe should do the same instead of pretending Putin will understand any weaker response. TL;DR: shoot them down on sight.

A few additional points of context to consider:

- The "Turkey taught Putin" narrative is kind of BS. The leader of Turkey imprisoned the pilot who shot down the Russian jet, essentially saying he acted on his own. Afterwards, Turkey bought Russian military equipment. This reaction is the opposite of sovereignty.

- Speculation: Russia is looking to provoke Europe into responding. The thinking is to get Europe to focus on their own air defense, over assisting Ukraine. This is why the general, and correct, response in Europe is to keep calm and keep sending air defense equipment to Ukraine instead of freaking out. There of course are some lines where it is not possible to shrug it off, like recently in Poland, where the situation was so unsafe that we had to react with weapons. The most important element of Europe's security is that the Ukraine war does not end in a victory for Russia.

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Re: Denmark shuts multiple airports, more unidentified drones spotted

#32

Post by leoh »

vachina wrote: post #17
trhway wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no pointer. It is an opinion consensus held widely in some narrow analytical circles. In the open China clearly stated that it will not let Russia lose. China uses Russia as a ram and the war to keep NATO, and specifically US, busy in Europe.

Sounds like bs

Nailed it

Re: Denmark shuts multiple airports, more unidentified drones spotted

#33

Post by baobun »

clan wrote: post #20
vintermann wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These drones have lights on at night. That doesn't sound too much like Russians to me. But maybe that's just what the Russians want me to think... At least one of the videos published recently was likely of a school plane from Copenhagen Airtaxi, according to a Norwegian drone trade magazine: https://www.dronemag.no/dansk-droneobservasjon-kan-ha-vaert-...

4 smaller airports in DK had visits during this night as well. Also lights on. Still thinking coincidence?

If I was 14, a rascal up to no good, had a drone and lived close to an airport I know what I'd be doing for the lulz.

Re: Denmark shuts multiple airports, more unidentified drones spotted

#34

Post by monerozcash »

Tankenstein wrote: post #31
shmerl wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turkey taught Putin what should happen to his military airplanes that violate their airspace. Putin got the message very quickly. Europe should do the same instead of pretending Putin will understand any weaker response. TL;DR: shoot them down on sight.

A few additional points of context to consider: - The "Turkey taught Putin" narrative is kind of BS. The leader of Turkey imprisoned the pilot who shot down the Russian jet, essentially saying he acted on his own. Afterwards, Turkey bought Russian military equipment. This reaction is the opposite of sovereignty. - Speculation: Russia is looking to provoke Europe into responding. The thinking is to get Europe to focus…

> The leader of Turkey imprisoned the pilot who shot down the Russian jet

The pilots were arrested almost a year later, a few days after a coup attempt they were allegedly involved in.

Before that they were treated like heroes in Turkey.

Re: Denmark shuts multiple airports, more unidentified drones spotted

#35

Post by 1718627440 »

baobun wrote: post #33
clan wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4 smaller airports in DK had visits during this night as well. Also lights on. Still thinking coincidence?

If I was 14, a rascal up to no good, had a drone and lived close to an airport I know what I'd be doing for the lulz.

You would hopefully also know that this has serious consequences. Burning your home might be cheaper.

Re: Denmark shuts multiple airports, more unidentified drones spotted

#36

Post by 1718627440 »

vachina wrote: post #17
trhway wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no pointer. It is an opinion consensus held widely in some narrow analytical circles. In the open China clearly stated that it will not let Russia lose. China uses Russia as a ram and the war to keep NATO, and specifically US, busy in Europe.

Sounds like bs

Yet doesn't contradict public action and fits the state doctrines.

Re: Denmark shuts multiple airports, more unidentified drones spotted

#37

Post by 1718627440 »

Tankenstein wrote: post #31
shmerl wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turkey taught Putin what should happen to his military airplanes that violate their airspace. Putin got the message very quickly. Europe should do the same instead of pretending Putin will understand any weaker response. TL;DR: shoot them down on sight.

A few additional points of context to consider: - The "Turkey taught Putin" narrative is kind of BS. The leader of Turkey imprisoned the pilot who shot down the Russian jet, essentially saying he acted on his own. Afterwards, Turkey bought Russian military equipment. This reaction is the opposite of sovereignty. - Speculation: Russia is looking to provoke Europe into responding. The thinking is to get Europe to focus…

> Speculation ...

That would be nice for Europe, but Putin openly stated that the goal is not to conquer whole Ukraine alone, but to restore the borders of the USSR in all its glory.

Re: Denmark shuts multiple airports, more unidentified drones spotted

#38

Post by mamonster »

shmerl wrote: post #25
trhway wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Summit in Shanghai there Xi gave ok to probe and harass NATO, immediately 20 intelligence drones 100+ miles deep into Poland, 3 fighter jets 10 minutes into Estonia airspace. (Those actions already triggered kneejerk in NATO to give first priority to beefing up NATO countries' air defenses instead of supplying air-defense systems to Ukraine). Add to that cyberattack on the airports 3 days ago and now massive drones i…

Turkey taught Putin what should happen to his military airplanes that violate their airspace. Putin got the message very quickly. Europe should do the same instead of pretending Putin will understand any weaker response. TL;DR: shoot them down on sight.

I like how people always forget to mention that the reason as to why the plane getting shot down never resulted in an "escalation" is that Putin immediately bombed Turkish troops and killed like 30 people, at which point they both basically agreed to sweep it under the rug.

Re: Denmark shuts multiple airports, more unidentified drones spotted

#40

Post by BostonFern »

TheChaplain wrote: post #39

I believe this will call for much stricter drone laws, possibly having tracking and stronger license requirements.

Officials have made announcements that tie the alleged drone sightings to “capable” (e.g., foreign state) actors. How would stricter laws address that?

It’s also already illegal to fly drones above airports.

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