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An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Post by mikl »

us-merul wrote: post #23
mikl wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great Britain is the big island next to Ireland. So the Scots, Welsh and English are British. Most Irish people would not take kindly to be called British, but then there’s Northern Ireland with all its complexities.

That’s my point. There’s not really a singular “Brit” unless you designate one group to decide, and various other groups may also want to be considered British or not. Since I’m from the US, I won’t say more, because I’m sure there’s more to this I’m missing.

I don’t really think pedantry about terms changes the overall point.

Re: An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Post by LightBug1 »

Good luck to em ... as they say in their notes:

"We do not want to restrict DHH's freedom of speech, he can write and say what he likes. However, free speech is not "freedom from the consequences of that speech", and we as a community are completely free not to associate with people who hold views we find abhorrent."

I get it. Basically, "I don't want to associate with assholes". That's not unreasonable.

Re: An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Post by LightBug1 »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #30
archagon wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forking is a political action that requires buy-in. Hence the letter.

Is that how they’re coping on bluesky? For a political action, the blowback has been several thousand-fold larger than the support. So far I’ve seen the tailwind creator, shopify ceo, reactjs creator, creator of ladybird browser, writer of pragmatic engineer, many prominent people in the rails community, and so many others speak out against this fork. The letter (more like a resume blacklist) has shown that the Overt…

I say good luck to em ... as they say in their notes:

"We do not want to restrict DHH's freedom of speech, he can write and say what he likes. However, free speech is not "freedom from the consequences of that speech", and we as a community are completely free not to associate with people who hold views we find abhorrent."

I get it. Basically, "I don't want to associate with assholes". That's not unreasonable.

Re: An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Post by hdlothia »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #24
hdlothia wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the core tenets of liberalism is that multi cultural societies and nations are just as good as mono cultural ones. what are you trying to imply here with the africa and middle eastern examples

Oh that’s a core tenet? Since when? Did Adam Smith write about that? John Locke? Thomas Paine? Heck I’ll even take a Milton Friedman citation if you have one.

Probably since about early 1990s. Maybe I should say civic nationalism instead of multiculturalism but I think most liberals would reject the idea that ethnicity or heritage were important in determining nationality.

Re: An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Post by dismalaf »

archagon wrote: post #28
mikl wrote: post #11

They can just fork Rails right now, no need for dramatic open letters. As for trying to unseat the Rails founder and BDFL, no chance.

Forking is a political action that requires buy-in. Hence the letter.

It's not though. Go to GitHub, press the fork button. Then give people a reason to use your fork over others.

Re: An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Post by archagon »

Wow, I didn’t realize that DHH had gone off the rails* into full-on white nationalism: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

It’s fucked how normalized this sort of “Britain/US for Whites” rhetoric has become over the last few years. London is and always will be a global city. And praising Tommy Robinson as some sort of hero surely involves a degree of brain damage.

Re: An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Post by ilikehurdles »

hdlothia wrote: post #34
ilikehurdles wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh that’s a core tenet? Since when? Did Adam Smith write about that? John Locke? Thomas Paine? Heck I’ll even take a Milton Friedman citation if you have one.

Probably since about early 1990s. Maybe I should say civic nationalism instead of multiculturalism but I think most liberals would reject the idea that ethnicity or heritage were important in determining nationality.

this is categorically different from multiculturalism. all cultures are not equal, and some are antithetical to liberal values. a diversity of people is good, but as much as possible society should prefer a common banner and shared loyalty, or view of civic duty. America has for a long time shown that there can be a combination of national identity and ethnic and religious diversity.

to that end, i think arguments for or against different degrees of immigration are valid and worth engaging (as opposed to shunning under false labels).

Re: An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Post by [deleted] »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #37
hdlothia wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably since about early 1990s. Maybe I should say civic nationalism instead of multiculturalism but I think most liberals would reject the idea that ethnicity or heritage were important in determining nationality.

this is categorically different from multiculturalism. all cultures are not equal, and some are antithetical to liberal values. a diversity of people is good, but as much as possible society should prefer a common banner and shared loyalty, or view of civic duty. America has for a long time shown that there can be a combination of national identity and ethnic and religious diversity. to that end, i think arguments fo…

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Re: An open letter calling for a hard fork of Rails to remove DHH's influence

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Post by hackbinary »

mikl wrote: post #22
us-merul wrote: post #3

From the linked DHH writing: “There's absolutely nothing racist or xenophobic in saying that Denmark is primarily a country for the Danes, Britain primarily a united kingdom for the Brits, and Japan primarily a set of islands for the Japanese.” To clarify, who are the Brits exactly? Do the Irish, Scottish, and Welsh count, and who gets to say that? Also, the Ainu were there before the Japanese.

Great Britain is the big island next to Ireland. So the Scots, Welsh and English are British. Most Irish people would not take kindly to be called British, but then there’s Northern Ireland with all its complexities.

Most Scots and Cymry do not identify as British, and do not like it when you refer to them as British.

I'm Scots, not British. Roughly 50% of us support independence from the UK.

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