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Re: Qwen3-VL

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Post by Workaccount2 »

VladVladikoff wrote: post #26
richardlblair wrote: post #23

As I mentioned yesterday - I recently needed to process hundreds of low quality images of invoices (for a construction project). I had a script that had used pil/opencv, pytesseract, and open ai as a fallback. It still has a staggering number of failures. Today I tried a handful of the really poor quality invoices and Qwen spat out all the information I needed without an issue. What's crazier is it gave me the boundi…

Interesting. I have in the past tried to get bounding boxes of property boundaries on satellite maps estimated by VLLM models but had no success. Do you have any tips on how to improve the results?

Gemini has purpose post training for bounding boxes if you haven't tried it.

The latest update on Gemini live does real time bounding boxes on objects it's talking about, it's pretty neat.

Re: Qwen3-VL

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Post by netdur »

richardlblair wrote: post #23

As I mentioned yesterday - I recently needed to process hundreds of low quality images of invoices (for a construction project). I had a script that had used pil/opencv, pytesseract, and open ai as a fallback. It still has a staggering number of failures. Today I tried a handful of the really poor quality invoices and Qwen spat out all the information I needed without an issue. What's crazier is it gave me the boundi…

I’ve tried that too, trying to detect the scan layout to get better OCR, but it didn’t really beat a fine-tuned Qwen 2.5 VLM 7B. I’d say fine-tuning is the way to go

Re: Qwen3-VL

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Post by VladVladikoff »

richardlblair wrote: post #28
VladVladikoff wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. I have in the past tried to get bounding boxes of property boundaries on satellite maps estimated by VLLM models but had no success. Do you have any tips on how to improve the results?

With Qwen I went as stupid as I could: please provide the bounding box metadata for pytesseract for the above image. And it spat it out.

It’s funny that many of us say please. I don’t think it impacts the output, but it also feels wrong without it sometimes.

Re: Qwen3-VL

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Post by nl »

deepdarkforest wrote: post #8

The Chinese are doing what they have been doing to the manufacturing industry as well. Take the core technology and just optimize, optimize, optimize for 10x the cost/efficiency. As simple as that. Super impressive. These models might be bechmaxxed but as another comment said, i see so many that it might as well be the most impressive benchmaxxing today, if not just a genuinely SOTA open source model. They even relea…

> Take the core technology and just optimize, optimize, optimize for 10x the cost/efficiency. As simple as that. Super impressive.

This "just" is incorrect.

The Qwen team invented things like DeepStack https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.04334

(Also I hate this "The Chinese" thing. Do we say "The British" if it came from a DeepMind team in the UK? Or what if there are Chinese born US citizens working in Paris for Mistral?

Give credit to the Qwen team rather than a whole country. China has both great labs and mediocre labs, just like the rest of the world.)

Re: Qwen3-VL

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Post by [deleted] »

jychang wrote: post #21
deepdarkforest wrote: post #8

The Chinese are doing what they have been doing to the manufacturing industry as well. Take the core technology and just optimize, optimize, optimize for 10x the cost/efficiency. As simple as that. Super impressive. These models might be bechmaxxed but as another comment said, i see so many that it might as well be the most impressive benchmaxxing today, if not just a genuinely SOTA open source model. They even relea…

They still suck at explaining which model they serve is which, though. They also released today Qwen3-VL Plus [1] today alongside Qwen3-VL 235B [2] and they don't tell us which one is better. Note that Qwen3-VL-Plus is a very different model compared to Qwen-VL-Plus. Also, qwen-plus-2025-09-11 [3] vs qwen3-235b-a22b-instruct-2507 [4]. What's the difference? Which one is better? Who knows. You know it's bad when OpenA…

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Re: Qwen3-VL

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Post by mythz »

Team Qwen keeps cooking! qwen2.5VL was already my preferred visual model for querying images, will look at upgrading if they release a smaller model we can run locally.

Re: Qwen3-VL

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Post by bayarearefugee »

swyx wrote: post #14
willahmad wrote: post #6

China is winning the hearts of developers in this race so far. At least, they won mine already.

so.. why do you think they are trying this hard to win your heart?

I don't think they care about winning hearts exactly, but I do think they (correctly) realize that LLM models are racing rapidly toward being commodified and they are still going to be way ahead of us on manufacturing the hardware to run them on.

Watching the US stock market implode from the bubble generated from investors over here not realizing this is happening will be a nice bonus for them, I guess, and constantly shipping open SOTA models will speed that along.

Re: Qwen3-VL

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Post by mamami »

nl wrote: post #35
deepdarkforest wrote: post #8

The Chinese are doing what they have been doing to the manufacturing industry as well. Take the core technology and just optimize, optimize, optimize for 10x the cost/efficiency. As simple as that. Super impressive. These models might be bechmaxxed but as another comment said, i see so many that it might as well be the most impressive benchmaxxing today, if not just a genuinely SOTA open source model. They even relea…

> Take the core technology and just optimize, optimize, optimize for 10x the cost/efficiency. As simple as that. Super impressive. This "just" is incorrect. The Qwen team invented things like DeepStack https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.04334 (Also I hate this "The Chinese" thing. Do we say "The British" if it came from a DeepMind team in the UK? Or what if there are Chinese born US citizens working in Paris for Mistral? Giv…

Yeah it's just weird Orientalism all over again

Re: Qwen3-VL

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Post by maxloh »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #34
willahmad wrote: post #6

China is winning the hearts of developers in this race so far. At least, they won mine already.

They don't have to ever make a profit, so the game they are playing is a bit different.

OpenAI were not found to be profit-driven too. It is sad to see the place they are now.
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