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The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by triceratops »

graemep wrote: post #25
triceratops wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As a non-white British person i have no problem with native meaning certain ethnicities It's not actually ethnicity he's talking about, it's skin color. Ethnicity is cultural. Why exactly aren't people of any skin color who live in the UK, speak English, and believe in the full package of "Western values" (equality, freedom of speech, religion, rule of law etc) and "English behaviors" (queueing, tea, whatever) cons…

> It's not actually ethnicity he's talking about, it's skin color. Ethnicity is cultural. DHH says people are not "native Brits". The literal meaning of that is ethnicity, not skin colour. Of course DHH might be using this as code for white, but it is not the literal meaning, and (as another comment points out) the statistic he quotes is for the total of the ethnic groups that are considered white British - it exclud…

> Define native!

That's why I put "native" in scare quotes.

> I think the problem with that definition is that lots of people how have never even lived in the UK

That's why I wrote "live in the UK" first.

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by triceratops »

jajahabav wrote: post #30

I don’t really understand the authors point of view. If I moved to Japan and got citizenship, I’d know full well I’m not Japanese and never will be. I’d behave like a guest for the rest of my life (though obviously be grateful for any kindness the locals show me). I certainly would not make posts about how the locals are the real problem and they’re evil for not accommodating me. It’s also odd the article is trying t…

> I’d behave like a guest [If I moved to Japan and got citizenship] for the rest of my life

Why would you want to be a guest in your own country for the rest of your life?

> I certainly would not make posts about how the locals are the real problem

That's not what the post said.

> they’re evil for not accommodating me.

What does "accommodating" mean? From what I can tell they just want to not be treated like a guest in their own country. Not a crazy request.

Taking citizenship in another country is comparable to being a new convert to a religion. Is it acceptable for people born and raised in the faith to treat new converts differently?

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by tw_wankette »

lawgimenez wrote: post #9

So, what exactly is wrong with UK having only 1/3 native brits? I’m Asian, I don’t get why the West is so concerned. If half of my country are expats immigrating, hell yeah. I don’t see the problem as long as everyone is contributing for the overall community and welfare of the country.

>>1/3 native

Natives have rights to their homeland.

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by graemep »

jajahabav wrote: post #29
motbus3 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if it was the case, which by merely impression of being there for few days recently, but even if it was, are the folks he referring slaughtering white people? attacking them? Curbing their right for their beliefs? Taking all the jobs deeming a class, race or group segregated? I don't think so. If anything, i don't think "native Brits" as he called, not wanting to do any of the low-end jobs. I get why people are…

> but even if it was, are the folks he referring slaughtering white people I don’t want to sound like Elon musk (he’s corrupt like the rest), but white people aren’t really reproducing at a rate to keep them going. There’s other ways for a race to die out. You think a majority asian Britain is going to be favorable to whites? > i don't think "native Brits" as he called, not wanting to do any of the low-end jobs. Beca…

> You think a majority asian Britain is going to be favorable to whites

Yes it will be. Most British Asians are culturally British and become more so with each generation.

Secondly, there are multiple different Asian cultures in the UK, so the most substantial common ground different groups of Asians have is our Britishness. The dominant culture is very much British because each minority culture is individually small.

Also, there is a long, long way to go for the 9% of the population who are Asian to become a majority.

> There’s other ways for a race to die out

Races (in that sense) always die out. I cannot see many Angles or Jutes around in England.

> Because they’re awful jobs. The elites running the country opted to import cheap, exploitable labor instead of improving the working conditions of their countrymen.

That much is true.

> Race is an extension of family

That is BS. I can define who is family. How do you define race? Shared culture? I have dealt with that idea already. Genetics? It does not map well to usual categories of race. You can only make sense of this by selecting a few inherited attributes (primarily skin colour) and classifying people by a literally skin deep difference.

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by edu »

rubzah wrote: post #13

DHH has great instincts when it comes to programming and technical projects, but he is not a very smart guy about anything else. Further, he is a bit of a low class buffoon. So just use his stuff and ignore whatever else he rants about on his own time and property, this is the only way to get by in life. You couldn't read a book, watch a movie, or enjoy any music, if you constantly had to vet the authors against your…

Totally agree, you can respect the quality of someone’s work without needing to buy into everything they say or do outside of it. I also don’t get where this purity test comes from, but it’s definitely not a good thing.

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by graemep »

triceratops wrote: post #32
jajahabav wrote: post #30

I don’t really understand the authors point of view. If I moved to Japan and got citizenship, I’d know full well I’m not Japanese and never will be. I’d behave like a guest for the rest of my life (though obviously be grateful for any kindness the locals show me). I certainly would not make posts about how the locals are the real problem and they’re evil for not accommodating me. It’s also odd the article is trying t…

> I’d behave like a guest [If I moved to Japan and got citizenship] for the rest of my life Why would you want to be a guest in your own country for the rest of your life? > I certainly would not make posts about how the locals are the real problem That's not what the post said. > they’re evil for not accommodating me. What does "accommodating" mean? From what I can tell they just want to not be treated like a guest…

I really like your last point. its not a prefect analogy but it is pretty good. Another comparison that occurs to me is joining a club.

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by triceratops »

graemep wrote: post #36
triceratops wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I’d behave like a guest [If I moved to Japan and got citizenship] for the rest of my life Why would you want to be a guest in your own country for the rest of your life? > I certainly would not make posts about how the locals are the real problem That's not what the post said. > they’re evil for not accommodating me. What does "accommodating" mean? From what I can tell they just want to not be treated like a guest…

I really like your last point. its not a prefect analogy but it is pretty good. Another comparison that occurs to me is joining a club.

> Another comparison that occurs to me is joining a club.

I think it's a bit more profound than that. Club membership doesn't change most people's identity. They aren't defined by it. On the other hand citizenship is one of the first descriptors used about a person formally. Check out how any Wikipedia article about a person from the last couple centuries begins - " is/was a ."

"Steven Allan Spielberg is an American filmmaker." [1]

"Sir Mohamed Muktar Jama Farah (born Hussein Abdi Kahin) is a British former long-distance runner."[2]

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Spielberg

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mo_Farah

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by throw5t4323rt »

I’m surprised DHH made the blog post on the hey.com domain, since it’s also the domain of their email service.

If I was a customer I would be canceling my service because I really don’t want my emails to be associated with any type of controversial topic. Why doesn’t he post it under his own domain, rather than a company one?

I’ve used Basecamp in the past, and actually considered signing up for hey.com. Good thing I didn’t waste my money on it. Would be such a pain to have to switch my email address.

Re: The Ruby community has a DHH problem

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Post by graemep »

triceratops wrote: post #37
graemep wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really like your last point. its not a prefect analogy but it is pretty good. Another comparison that occurs to me is joining a club.

> Another comparison that occurs to me is joining a club. I think it's a bit more profound than that. Club membership doesn't change most people's identity. They aren't defined by it. On the other hand citizenship is one of the first descriptors used about a person formally. Check out how any Wikipedia article about a person from the last couple centuries begins - " is/was a ." "Steven Allan Spielberg is an American…

I agree. It is more profound than joining a club, but conversion to a religion is primarily about beliefs. Analogies are never perfect.
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