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Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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Re: Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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Without tectonics, is terraforming Mars even possible as a long term solution? This "Mars colonization" strategy seems like a pipe dream, no?

Tectonics isn’t the issue There would be little point in terraforming Mars. There’s plenty of places on Earth to terraform

> There’s plenty of places on Earth to terraform

I'm going to steal this.

Re: Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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Tectonics isn’t the issue There would be little point in terraforming Mars. There’s plenty of places on Earth to terraform

Agree. But my understanding is the main idea is Mars is supposed to be a "backup" for humanity in the event of a very-low-probability catastrophic event on earth (total nuclear war, solar flare, meteorite collision). In our lifetimes, unlikely. Over the next 1 million years? Maybe.

I’m of the opinion we’ll just do massive structures in space, lifting out of a gravity well just doesn’t make sense, if you can manufacture in space and we know there is a tonne of resources off plant in the solar system I don’t see why terraforming a plant is the smart play.

Re: Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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Tectonics isn’t the issue There would be little point in terraforming Mars. There’s plenty of places on Earth to terraform

Agree. But my understanding is the main idea is Mars is supposed to be a "backup" for humanity in the event of a very-low-probability catastrophic event on earth (total nuclear war, solar flare, meteorite collision). In our lifetimes, unlikely. Over the next 1 million years? Maybe.

If humanity develops the need for "burner planets" then maybe we don't deserve to expand past our solar system...

Re: Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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Tectonics isn’t the issue There would be little point in terraforming Mars. There’s plenty of places on Earth to terraform

Agree. But my understanding is the main idea is Mars is supposed to be a "backup" for humanity in the event of a very-low-probability catastrophic event on earth (total nuclear war, solar flare, meteorite collision). In our lifetimes, unlikely. Over the next 1 million years? Maybe.

Thinking about wild scenarios is fun and sometimes even prudent.

But acting on it at this point is tragic premature optimization. Musk isn't a stupid person so I have to think in his heart he knows his story is more about PR and being seen as a visionary as something that will actually be done in the next thousand or ten thousand years. Even if there is some climate catastrophe that causes 99% of the population to die out and any civilization to collapse, the remaining 1% are better off on Earth than trying to spend their limited manpower to get to Mars, even if some crazy trillionaire has established a beachhead there.

As an analogy, it feels like some person living paycheck to paycheck and having only $20 to spare at the end of each pay period and saving up that money ... not to invest it in some way that improves their lot, but to hire a tax attorney to help them plan how to shelter $1B in income in case they win the lottery.

Re: Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree. But my understanding is the main idea is Mars is supposed to be a "backup" for humanity in the event of a very-low-probability catastrophic event on earth (total nuclear war, solar flare, meteorite collision). In our lifetimes, unlikely. Over the next 1 million years? Maybe.

I’m of the opinion we’ll just do massive structures in space, lifting out of a gravity well just doesn’t make sense, if you can manufacture in space and we know there is a tonne of resources off plant in the solar system I don’t see why terraforming a plant is the smart play.

I believe the TV show "The 100" experimented with this idea. The inhabitants of the orbiting colonies wait out the contamination of Earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100_(TV_series)

Re: Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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post #24

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Without tectonics, is terraforming Mars even possible as a long term solution? This "Mars colonization" strategy seems like a pipe dream, no?

Tectonics isn’t the issue There would be little point in terraforming Mars. There’s plenty of places on Earth to terraform

Are there? Most places on earth have an established environment. There are things living in some very hostile to human areas.

Re: Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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Tectonics isn’t the issue There would be little point in terraforming Mars. There’s plenty of places on Earth to terraform

Agree. But my understanding is the main idea is Mars is supposed to be a "backup" for humanity in the event of a very-low-probability catastrophic event on earth (total nuclear war, solar flare, meteorite collision). In our lifetimes, unlikely. Over the next 1 million years? Maybe.

It's just going to be come a place for the ultra rich Musk types to seclude themselves from the rest of us so they can finally build their dream libertarian paradise that is "totally self sufficient" and absolutely, we assure you, not reliant on earth in any way.

Re: Why is Venus hell and Earth an Eden?

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Agree. But my understanding is the main idea is Mars is supposed to be a "backup" for humanity in the event of a very-low-probability catastrophic event on earth (total nuclear war, solar flare, meteorite collision). In our lifetimes, unlikely. Over the next 1 million years? Maybe.

If humanity develops the need for "burner planets" then maybe we don't deserve to expand past our solar system...

Not the argument. The elimination of life on earth can happen due to non human causes. An impact of the sort that created the moon would do the job.
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