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A revolution in English bell ringing

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Re: A revolution in English bell ringing

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Did someone say Bells on Sunday? https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006sgsh Which normally segues into the Shipping Forecast

I grew up hearing these bells and being able to listen to them on demand is one the last great things on the internet, for me https://youtu.be/IVvAIYA4uIA?si=qIQGqgNk1JNN4GTw

Re: A revolution in English bell ringing

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's got compositions on the page, a link to a PDF with compositions in it and a link to the Veronese ringing association which has many more examples - if you can read Italian.

Ah, I stand corrected. I couldn't listen to the examples last night so I have egg on my face this morning :)

I hadn't completely checked it either FWIW so worth asking the question.

It does sound slightly different as they use chords.

Re: A revolution in English bell ringing

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post #18

Bell ringing is English?? I grew up in England and assumed all churches everywhere did it. I guess I just never noticed its absence in the USA, despite living here for over 20 years.

Very few churches in the American suburbs have bells, and most have replaced them with speakers playing recorded bells if they have anything at all :(

A surprising number have bells or refurbished their bell towers in the last 20 years - but many are more gong than bell as the bell is hit with a powered solenoid.

Hand-rung bells do still exist and get installed; offhand I know of one new installation and three old.

Re: A revolution in English bell ringing

#34
post #10

Bell ringing is English?? I grew up in England and assumed all churches everywhere did it. I guess I just never noticed its absence in the USA, despite living here for over 20 years.

There is some change ringing in the USA, just not very much of it. There are towers around.. https://www.nagcr.org/towers-and-bands There's even a few change ringing towers dotted around parts of Africa, Australia, some of Europe. Just few and far between. But when compared to England, where practically every town can be relied upon to have at least a 6 bell tower where change ringing can happen, it's no comparison.

My college (Sewanee: The University of the South) is one of the few places in the US with a change ringing tower. It definitely fit the Anglophilic vibe of the place. It was always lovely to hear.

Apparently, I now live in one of the other places where there is a tower (Carmel, IN), but I’ve never heard changes rung on it. It doesn’t appear from the website that it has any local players, which is too bad.

Re: A revolution in English bell ringing

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post #29

The only way you can justify public bell ringing is by appeal to tradition. Church bells are very loud and are placed in tall bell towers to be heard over a wide area. Despite the disruption and annoyance they can cause, this is an important part of English culture and I support it. Once you start changing the rules, you are no longer following the tradition. You're accepting that the tradition can be changed, and in…

What a liberty! Straight through the lights, of course!

Re: A revolution in English bell ringing

#36

> composers tend to base their methods in mathematical principles such as group theory I know many composers were and are very in tune with the mathematics of music. But the “tend to” makes me wonder: were most of them in tune, or is it that pleasant sounding music will inevitably display mathematical patterns?

That sentence is specifically about composers of methods in change ringing, where the musical possibilities are tightly constrained by the rules and the physics of ringing large bells. Change ringing is based on permutations constructed by swapping adjacent pairs. (Except for the jump changes that the article is about.) For a “triples” peal on 7 bells the ringers are supposed to ring all 5040 possible permutations. It’s called “triples” because you can make up to 3 swaps at a time; one of the challenges (for example) is to construct a triples peal that only uses triple changes.

Re: A revolution in English bell ringing

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> composers tend to base their methods in mathematical principles such as group theory I know many composers were and are very in tune with the mathematics of music. But the “tend to” makes me wonder: were most of them in tune, or is it that pleasant sounding music will inevitably display mathematical patterns?

"I am taking such pains with these things, not so much out of concern that the pupil might, if they were not explained, thoughtlessly accept and mechanically apply them, as to establish explicitly that these principles are not derived from aesthetics but from practical considerations. If what is known as aesthetics does in fact contain much that is merely practical handling of the material, and if what is known as symmetry is perhaps often not much more than an organization of the material that reveals a sensible regard for its properties, yet I consider it worthwhile to set down these observations. For the conditions of practicality can change, if we take a different view of the material and if the purpose changes. But aesthetics alleges it has discovered eternal laws."

-- Arnold Schoenberg, Theory of Harmony

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