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American Prairie unlocks another 70k acres in Montana

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Re: American Prairie unlocks another 70k acres in Montana

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Post by mothballed »

potato3732842 wrote: post #17
mothballed wrote: post #2

Property rights as conceived by Adam smith, John Locke, and even the most ruthless anarcho-capitalists like Murray Rothbard does not acknowledge the right of ownership of land from merely seeing it and declaring everyone else is blocked from accessing the next place. In all such systems, ownership is first derived from developing or homesteading the land. People that own undeveloped land purely for the reason of bloc…

Roger Williams and his buddies would (and did) vehemently disagree with this doctrine. I think you need to remember that Lock and Smith were writing in a century when "they're not using it (by our definition), so we can just go take it" was the legal underpinning by which the english colonies mostly justified forcing the natives off their land and that sort of interpretive creativity had been used for hundreds of yea…

I believe what you're referencing in the second paragraph more closely describes adverse possession, than the initial creation of the property right from mixing land with labor.

Re: American Prairie unlocks another 70k acres in Montana

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Post by dogman144 »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #8
huhkerrf wrote: post #6

> The group bought the land from two billionaire Texas brothers who’d kept the public locked out of one of the only western access roads into adjacent public land, There's something uniquely evil about locking the public out of public lands. I'm looking at you, too, Vinod Khosla.

I thought that weird 'corner crossing' case or whatever with the hunters had rendered this sort of thing impossible? Is that not correct?

Still going, and we can call the guy keeping it going by his public records name - Fred Eshelman, pharma wealthy North Carolinian owns the notoriously checkerboarded Elk Mountain in Wy, which if you ever drive I80 past Laramie Wy it’s the big mountain on the south side going west.

owns 6000 acres of checkerboard land that’s effectively 20,000 acres with a notorious ranch manager.

Lost his case in Fed courts in Wyoming and on appeal, trying to do Supreme Court now.

Wyofile has consistently good coverage on this.

Re: American Prairie unlocks another 70k acres in Montana

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Post by Razengan »

uybguygkjhgjk wrote: post #27
geye1234 wrote: post #20

The UK has a much more intelligent (though far from perfect) approach to land use. It has public rights of way (if on foot, horse or bicycle) crossing the whole country. You can walk from one end of Britain to the other without trespassing, and without using roads (much). Many of these paths are very, very old, in a few cases Roman or pre-Roman, although more are medieval. Until recently, they were based on common la…

... the last time the UK had large herds of wild grazing animals was several thousand years ago. There's absolutely no way any herd of wild bison could exist in the UK's current "much more intelligent approach".

Why do people create new accounts for posting contrary opinions?

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Post by nickff »

Razengan wrote: post #34
uybguygkjhgjk wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... the last time the UK had large herds of wild grazing animals was several thousand years ago. There's absolutely no way any herd of wild bison could exist in the UK's current "much more intelligent approach".

Why do people create new accounts for posting contrary opinions?

Probably because of how aggressive the down-voting of unpopular opinions has become. Joke comments get upvotes, and thoughtful objections get flagged these days.

Re: American Prairie unlocks another 70k acres in Montana

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Post by seabass-labrax »

uybguygkjhgjk wrote: post #27
geye1234 wrote: post #20

The UK has a much more intelligent (though far from perfect) approach to land use. It has public rights of way (if on foot, horse or bicycle) crossing the whole country. You can walk from one end of Britain to the other without trespassing, and without using roads (much). Many of these paths are very, very old, in a few cases Roman or pre-Roman, although more are medieval. Until recently, they were based on common la…

... the last time the UK had large herds of wild grazing animals was several thousand years ago. There's absolutely no way any herd of wild bison could exist in the UK's current "much more intelligent approach".

It's been a long time coming, but wild bison are being reintroduced to Britain right now:

https://www.kentwildlifetrust.org.uk/projects/wilder-blean

https://www.rewildingbritain.org.uk/why-rewild/reintroductio...

This is mirrored by reintroduction schemes of red kites and beavers in the UK, as well as similar projects with bison, wolves and other species on the European mainland.

That's not to mention deer, which are both wild and doing really well - partly because of the lack of wolves, ironically!

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Post by kjkjadksj »

geye1234 wrote: post #20

The UK has a much more intelligent (though far from perfect) approach to land use. It has public rights of way (if on foot, horse or bicycle) crossing the whole country. You can walk from one end of Britain to the other without trespassing, and without using roads (much). Many of these paths are very, very old, in a few cases Roman or pre-Roman, although more are medieval. Until recently, they were based on common la…

Not only can you kick people off in the US. You are allowed to kill them in some places. Castle doctrine.

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Post by em-bee »

idreyn wrote: post #7
pixelpoet wrote: post #4

> one of the only That reminds me, I still have to put up the explanation at oneoftheonly.com for why this phrase doesn't make sense and is the new "could care less".

I would like a non-native speaker to weigh in, but I gloss it as "there are ONLY a few and this is ONE OF them" and have never found that confusing or contradictory.

as a nonnative fluent speaker, to me "one of the few" and "one of the only" mean the same thing, with "of the only" possibly being even less than "of the few"

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Post by Romario77 »

geye1234 wrote: post #20

The UK has a much more intelligent (though far from perfect) approach to land use. It has public rights of way (if on foot, horse or bicycle) crossing the whole country. You can walk from one end of Britain to the other without trespassing, and without using roads (much). Many of these paths are very, very old, in a few cases Roman or pre-Roman, although more are medieval. Until recently, they were based on common la…

in UK a huge amount of land belongs to a small percentage of people, crown and former nobility. 50% of the land belongs to 1% of the people.

US has similar laws that you talk about where you have to give easement or right of way.

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Post by throwawaysleep »

potato3732842 wrote: post #28
geye1234 wrote: post #20

The UK has a much more intelligent (though far from perfect) approach to land use. It has public rights of way (if on foot, horse or bicycle) crossing the whole country. You can walk from one end of Britain to the other without trespassing, and without using roads (much). Many of these paths are very, very old, in a few cases Roman or pre-Roman, although more are medieval. Until recently, they were based on common la…

And what happened when that doctrine was ported to America was that they used that doctrine to incrementally take the natives land and started a war in only the span of one generation.

Americans happily signed treaties with the natives and reneged. The law didn't matter as the law was ignored.
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