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Notion API importer, with Databases to Bases conversion bounty

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Re: Notion API importer, with Databases to Bases conversion bounty

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Post by jillesvangurp »

BoorishBears wrote: post #8
thombles wrote: post #3

In addition to what's already in the thread, I assume by now somebody has vibecoded an agent to scan GitHub for bounties and then automatically vibe up a corresponding solution. Will be a fun source of spam for anyone who wants to do the right thing and pay people for good work.

I recently got my first AI generated PR for a project I maintain and it was honestly a little stressful. My first clue was that PR description was absurdly detailed and well structured... yet the actual changes were really scattershot. A human with the experience and attention to detail to produce that detailed description would likely also have broken it down into seperate PRs. And the code seemed alright until I no…

> I hope we normalize just admitting when most of a piece of code is AI generated.

People using AI tools in their work is becoming normal. In the end, it doesn't matter how the code is created if the code works and is otherwise high quality. The person contributing is responsible for checking the quality of their contributions. Generally, a pull request that changes half the system for no good reason without good motivation is clearly not acceptable in most OSS systems. Likewise, a pull request that ignores existing design and conventions is also not acceptable. If you do such a pull request manually, it will probably also get rejected and get told off by repository maintainers.

The beauty of the pull request system is that it puts the responsibility on the PR creator to make sure their pull request is good enough. Creating huge pull requests is generally not appreciated and creates a lot of review overhead. It's also good practice to work via the issue tracker and discuss your plans before you start the work. Especially with bigger changes. The problem here is not necessary AI but but people using AI to create low quality pull requests and people not communicating properly.

I've not yet received any obvious AI generated pull requests on any of my projects. But I've used codex on my own projects for a few pull requests. I'd probably disclose that fact if I was going to contribute something to somebody else's code base and would also take the time to properly clean up the pull request and make sure it delivers as promised.

Re: Notion API importer, with Databases to Bases conversion bounty

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Post by ath3nd »

artursapek wrote: post #27
jychang wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's 1100 lines of code in a single file that nobody understands. That's instant spaghetti right there, not a valid PR. At least have it be split into some files and structured in some way.

how is a single 1100 line file that handles Notion’s API format “spaghetti”? spaghetti code is code that snakes through the code base in a hard-to-follow way

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Re: Notion API importer, with Databases to Bases conversion bounty

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Post by slightwinder »

jumploops wrote: post #6

Everyone is looking down on LLM-assisted dev here, but I think it's a great fit. I also don't believe it can be one-shotted (there's too many deltas between Notion's API and Obsidian). With that said, LLMs are great for enumerating edge-cases, and this feels like the perfect task for Codex/Claude Code. I'd implore the obsidian team/maintainers to take a stab at building this with LLMs. Based on personal experience, t…

> Everyone is looking down on LLM-assisted dev here, but I think it's a great fit.

From my own experience, I don't think that's the case. I've wrote a similar sync-script obsidiannotion-databases myself some months ago, and I also used AI in the beginning; but I learned really fast what an annoying mess Notions API is, and how fast LLMs are hanging up on edge-cases. AI is good to get a start into the API, but at the end you still have to fix it up yourself.

Re: Notion API importer, with Databases to Bases conversion bounty

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Post by NewsaHackO »

danielscrubs wrote: post #30
jumploops wrote: post #6

Everyone is looking down on LLM-assisted dev here, but I think it's a great fit. I also don't believe it can be one-shotted (there's too many deltas between Notion's API and Obsidian). With that said, LLMs are great for enumerating edge-cases, and this feels like the perfect task for Codex/Claude Code. I'd implore the obsidian team/maintainers to take a stab at building this with LLMs. Based on personal experience, t…

I don’t get the llm shilling. If you think you can earn 50k with some prompts, then earn it. Why _instead_ shill for llms? Feels like stock traders having courses for how YOU could earn big bucks. They themselves have photos taken with one day rented Ferraris… We all lean on LLMs in one way or another, but HN is becoming infested with wishful prompt engineers. Show, dont tell. Compete on the market instead of yet ano…

>Feels like stock traders having courses for how YOU could earn big bucks. They themselves have photos taken with one day rented Ferraris…

Do you think the person you are replying to is Sam Altman?

Re: Notion API importer, with Databases to Bases conversion bounty

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Post by NewsaHackO »

jangxx wrote: post #24
scrollaway wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes the duality of anti-AI crowds on HN. “GenAI is just fancy autocorrect”, and “autocorrect isn’t actually GenAI”. The thing is, if you’re talking about making laws (as GP is), your “surely people understand this difference” strategy doesn’t matter squat and the impact will be larger than you think.

You don't seem to understand what people mean when they say "AI is just fancy autocorrect". People talk about the little word suggestions over the keyboard, not about correcting spelling. And yes, of course those suggestions are going to be provided by some sort of ML model, and yes if you actually write a whole article just using them, it should be marked as AI generated, but literally no one is doing that. Maybe be…

But the original poster said:

>Even if AI contributed just a tiny bit.

Which would imply autocorrect should be reported as AI use.

Re: Notion API importer, with Databases to Bases conversion bounty

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Post by zwnow »

theshrike79 wrote: post #26
zwnow wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This "exploring" can take tremendous amounts of time, depending on the complexity of these APIs. My time is worth a lot to myself. I am not going to spend many hours for a chance of winning 5k$. If this takes a week off of my free time its not worth 5k to me.

If you get paid more than $5k a week, this isn't for you clearly.

If you think this is what I wrote, you should go to reading comprehension courses.

Re: Notion API importer, with Databases to Bases conversion bounty

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Post by jangxx »

NewsaHackO wrote: post #36
jangxx wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't seem to understand what people mean when they say "AI is just fancy autocorrect". People talk about the little word suggestions over the keyboard, not about correcting spelling. And yes, of course those suggestions are going to be provided by some sort of ML model, and yes if you actually write a whole article just using them, it should be marked as AI generated, but literally no one is doing that. Maybe be…

But the original poster said: >Even if AI contributed just a tiny bit. Which would imply autocorrect should be reported as AI use.

A law like this would obviously need some sort of sensible definition of what "AI" means in this context. Online translation tools also use ML models and even systems to unlock your device with your face do, so classifying all of that as "AI contributions" would make the definition completely useless.

I assume the OP was talking about things like LLMs and diffusion models which one could definitely single out for regulatory purposes. At the end of the day I don't think it would ever be realistically possible to have a law like this anyway, at least not one that wouldn't come with a bunch of ambiguity that would need to be resolved in court.

Re: Notion API importer, with Databases to Bases conversion bounty

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Post by AbstractH24 »

This seems very exploitative of their user base. In a way that’s becoming more and more common.

Although Obsidian isn’t open source, the community has a very similar vibe. Very anti-big-corporate-overlord.

But maybe not, maybe the world of bounties is just one im not in the loop on and this is common.

Re: Notion API importer, with Databases to Bases conversion bounty

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Post by mpalmer »

AbstractH24 wrote: post #39

This seems very exploitative of their user base. In a way that’s becoming more and more common. Although Obsidian isn’t open source, the community has a very similar vibe. Very anti-big-corporate-overlord. But maybe not, maybe the world of bounties is just one im not in the loop on and this is common.

How is it exploitative?
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