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My thoughts on renting versus buying

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Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

#31
post #17

The argument the author makes about the returns in stocks being higher than returns in real estate does not really hold when taking leverage into account. In my country, buying a home is the only way to get cheap debt for the vast majority of people.

> does not really hold when taking leverage into account.

Detailed analyses exist, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4H9LL7A-nQ .

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

#34

My mortgage is $1900 a month and I am extremely grateful for that, because it's been that for three years. I chose to buy so that I could have more predictability in my housing costs, and maybe someday I'll move, but then I'll rent it out. All that to say, if you can buying is infinitely better.

only because you got lucky to buy at that interest rates.

Thats like saying it makes sense to buy tesla stock because i bought it at $10

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

#35
This is one persons opinions on their own situation. It’s written too broadly, but does a reasonable job representing one side of the tradeoffs that people should consider. It is not particularly balanced or overly insightful for anyone who has spent much time thinking this stuff through, and a lot of statements that could be backed by data are not and are simply asserted as fact. (For example, the idea that renters are more likely to pursue promotions is a very non-serious argument unless backed with some actual data)

If this had been framed differently, it would be more interesting. Instead it comes across as universal (“most people won’t saved unless forced to”) and ignores the many many benefits of buying. (Not mentioning 5x leverage on a historically good asset is willful ignorance)

As a former renter of 20 years, these are great points that everyone should evaluate. As someone for whom home ownership made sense now, I wish I had been able to prioritize those factors earlier as it would have been nice to have my mortgage locked in at 2010 prices.

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

#36
post #4

All I know is my mortgage is $1,800 a month and to rent my place now is at least $6K/month. I love knowing that my monthly payment can't go up.

Something I've noticed is that some cities are better for renters, and others are better for buyers.

My current city in central Europe is very renter-friendly. A nice apartment would cost $600k, but rents practically never exceed $1500/month. Under such circumstances an apartment doesn't seem like a great investment.

I've also lived, briefly, in Canada -- where rents were often extremely high relative to home prices. (I have a friend who pays $300/month on a mortgage and rents the place out for $2000/month. At the same time, the house has nearly tripled in value over the past ~7 years.)

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

#38
There is one unmentioned far future benefit: if you pay your mortgage off before retirement you'll probably enjoy more shelter security than your peers. Rent is a monthly cost (eating into your retirement) that could skyrocket (which your retirement plans may not have accounted for).

Of course, a solid investment plan may offset these - but only a domicile (doesn't need to be a house) would survive everything related to the economy going to utter hell.

I agree about houses, though. A saner plan may be to purchase a modest apartment or the like, that you keep in the wings until you reach retirement.

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

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post #12
post #4

All I know is my mortgage is $1,800 a month and to rent my place now is at least $6K/month. I love knowing that my monthly payment can't go up.

Property taxes and insurance go up pretty much every year.

Which has the exact same impact on rental properties. In many jurisdictions it is worse for rentals (no homestead or occupancy reductions)

Re: My thoughts on renting versus buying

#40
post #12
post #4

All I know is my mortgage is $1,800 a month and to rent my place now is at least $6K/month. I love knowing that my monthly payment can't go up.

Property taxes and insurance go up pretty much every year.

Presumably those go up roughly the same for rental properties as well. So while your payments may still go up, you're paying it either way on top of interest/rent.
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