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We can’t circumvent the work needed to train our minds

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Re: We can’t circumvent the work needed to train our minds

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> Rowlands et al. wrote about the so called “digital natives” that they lack the critical and analytical thinking skills to evaluate the information they find on the internet. This doesn't match the cultural shift in the last 20 years. A generation of people grew up with chat rooms and immediately discovered the ability to misrepresent oneself on the internet. "On the internet, no one knows you're a dog", as they say…

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Re: We can’t circumvent the work needed to train our minds

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Surprised this is on top. Human beings have been using tools to augment memory since writing. Lots of these tools are faulty but then so too is memory. If you want to remember everything good luck, but I am not convinced.

I've reached my limit and I'm going to tap out of reading the blogosphere. It almost exclusively contains half-baked musings and overly reductive conclusions of little value.

Re: We can’t circumvent the work needed to train our minds

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You definitely do not need to remember everything, it’s not worth the effort to try, famously in programming even the best look up things they have looked up before.

Memory is helpful but brains aren’t hard drives, they aren’t designed to store information perfectly.

Re: We can’t circumvent the work needed to train our minds

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> The reduced engagement with the material reduces the emotional weight of the whole line of action. You mind is an engine that is fuelled by emotion. Without any emotion, you don’t think. Rather, you try to imitate thinking efficiently. This doesn't sound true and they don't seem to offer any support for the claim. There's a whole host of emotion-driven cognitive biases, where an effective counter is to reduce the e…

The first thing that happened in your mind when you read that sentence is (1) a bad feeling. That then triggered (2) a rational, conscious thought that interpreted that bad feeling: "this feels bad because it's not true, here are the reasons why it is not true. There is ALWAYS an "emotional/intuitive" response that precedes the rational, conscious thought. There's a ton of research on this (see system 1 vs system 2 t…

That's very hard to know without being in an FMRI machine while reading, which I wasn't, sadly.

Just functionally, it seems reasonable that something happened before that bad feeling to trigger it, e.g. "trying to fit this with already known things, and finding it doesn't".

Re: We can’t circumvent the work needed to train our minds

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> You have to remember EVERYTHING. Only then you can perform the cognitive tasks necessary to perform meaningful knowledge work. You don't have to remember everything. You have to remember enough entry points and the shape of what follows, trained through experience and going through the process of thinking and writing, to reason your way through meaningful knowledge work.

Of course you have to remember everything. Your brain stores everything, and you then get to add things by forgetting, but that does not mean you erase things. The brain is oscillatory, it works somehow by using ripples that encode everything within differences, just in case you have to remember that obscure action-syntax...a knot, a grip, a pivot that might let you escape death. Get to know the brain, folks.

Re: We can’t circumvent the work needed to train our minds

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> Rowlands et al. wrote about the so called “digital natives” that they lack the critical and analytical thinking skills to evaluate the information they find on the internet. This doesn't match the cultural shift in the last 20 years. A generation of people grew up with chat rooms and immediately discovered the ability to misrepresent oneself on the internet. "On the internet, no one knows you're a dog", as they say…

> They are more skeptical of propaganda than ever before.

Of boomer propaganda. But don't worry, as voters evolve, so does propaganda.

Re: We can’t circumvent the work needed to train our minds

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The irony here is using fitness as an example of knowable things.

Fitness guidelines is very much not a settled science, and is highly variable per individual beyond the very basics (to lose weight eat fewer calories than you burn, to build muscle you should lift heavy things).

For every study saying that 8-12 reps x3 is the optimal muscle growth strategy there is another saying that 20x2 is better, and a third saying that 5x5 is better. If you want to know how much protein you should eat to gain muscle mass, good luck; most studies have settled on 1.6g/kg per day as the maximum amount that will have an effect, but you can find many reputable fitness sources suggesting double that.

You can memorize "facts", but they will change as the state of the art changes... or is Pluto still a planet?

The ability to parse information and sources, as well as knowing the limits of your knowledge is far more important than memorizing things.

Re: We can’t circumvent the work needed to train our minds

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Before the internet I siloed knowledge that I could lookup to books. Don't worry, the kids will be ok.

Sorry, kids lack the foundational ability to remember, reason, imagine because their phones cauterize their basic intelligence foundations in sharp wave ripples: navigation, adventurous short-cuts, vicarious trial and error, these are the basis for memory consolidation. And we build this developmentally until we are 16 or so. Once we offload this dev to phones, we are essentially unintelligent buffoon, lacking the basis for knowledge. The kids are DOA.

Re: We can’t circumvent the work needed to train our minds

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> Rowlands et al. wrote about the so called “digital natives” that they lack the critical and analytical thinking skills to evaluate the information they find on the internet. This doesn't match the cultural shift in the last 20 years. A generation of people grew up with chat rooms and immediately discovered the ability to misrepresent oneself on the internet. "On the internet, no one knows you're a dog", as they say…

> They are more skeptical of propaganda than ever before. Of boomer propaganda. But don't worry, as voters evolve, so does propaganda.

indeed... new generations don't believe the news, but they believe whoever they're currently enamored with on social media

Re: We can’t circumvent the work needed to train our minds

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Surprised this is on top. Human beings have been using tools to augment memory since writing. Lots of these tools are faulty but then so too is memory. If you want to remember everything good luck, but I am not convinced.

even before writing we used song and story
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