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Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

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Re: Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

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Post by jimbo808 »

elygre wrote: post #30
jimbo808 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> From statements made and queries in law enforcement databases, [redacted] has not violated his visa; however, the Atlanta Field Office Director has mandated [redacted] be presented as a Voluntary Departure. [Redacted] has accepted voluntary departure despite not violating his B1/B2 visa requirements.” The article worded the whole thing very carefully, in a way to me is intentionally misleading. The director mandate…

If I was rounded up in an ICE raid, I would enthusiastically depart the country, even if I was fully compliant with every rule. That’s to say that a voluntary departure doesn’t mean no harm was caused.

But if harm was caused, The Guardian would probably be more explicit about it. They wouldn't beat around the bush in how they word it.

Re: Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

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Post by normalaccess »

Although unfortunate this falls within the margin of error for such events. I hope everything gets resolved but a dragnet will cause a few false positives.

Just the same as if the cops bust a party where there is under age drinking, one or two people might be old enough but you can't tell until you process everyone.

And this wouldn't be the chaos it is if the border wasn't a free for all in the first place.

Re: Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

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Post by farceSpherule »

messe wrote: post #16
farceSpherule wrote: post #11

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It's biased to think it's bad to arrest innocent people?

You people realize that this was a month's long investigation and that the raid was approved by a federal judge?

ICE did not simply show up and start arresting people.

Re: Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

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Post by salawat »

papercrane wrote: post #17
farceSpherule wrote: post #11

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That doesn't make it sound better. Generally "arrest them all and sort it out later" sounds like a 4th amendment violation.

As far as this administration is concerned, lawful immigrants aren't citizens, and due process is what they say it is. Til SCOTUS nuts up, that won't change.

Re: Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

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Post by Simulacra »

normalaccess wrote: post #32

Although unfortunate this falls within the margin of error for such events. I hope everything gets resolved but a dragnet will cause a few false positives. Just the same as if the cops bust a party where there is under age drinking, one or two people might be old enough but you can't tell until you process everyone. And this wouldn't be the chaos it is if the border wasn't a free for all in the first place.

I think that that's the crux of the issue: there was a conscientious driven effort to remove immigration barriers, but it could not be controlled, it could not be properly evaluated, and it became misery for everyone involved.

Re: Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

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Post by mindslight »

salawat wrote: post #34
papercrane wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't make it sound better. Generally "arrest them all and sort it out later" sounds like a 4th amendment violation.

As far as this administration is concerned, lawful immigrants aren't citizens, and due process is what they say it is. Til SCOTUS nuts up, that won't change.

This does not mean it is not a 4th amendment violation. The Supreme Council may declare what's legally executable, but they don't define the truth.

Re: Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

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Post by carefulfungi »

normalaccess wrote: post #32

Although unfortunate this falls within the margin of error for such events. I hope everything gets resolved but a dragnet will cause a few false positives. Just the same as if the cops bust a party where there is under age drinking, one or two people might be old enough but you can't tell until you process everyone. And this wouldn't be the chaos it is if the border wasn't a free for all in the first place.

I'm just glad they survived the long swim from South Korea to the US-Mexico border.

Re: Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

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Post by rich_sasha »

jimbo808 wrote: post #31
elygre wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I was rounded up in an ICE raid, I would enthusiastically depart the country, even if I was fully compliant with every rule. That’s to say that a voluntary departure doesn’t mean no harm was caused.

But if harm was caused, The Guardian would probably be more explicit about it. They wouldn't beat around the bush in how they word it.

If Ice detained me, kept me in kafkaesque isolation, shuttled me around for a few hours from one detention centre to another, but did no other harm, I'd probably also be happy to GTFO, and might even concede no harm was done.

Re: Leaked Ice document shows worker detained in Hyundai raid had valid visa

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Post by pavel_lishin »

deepthunder wrote: post #29
pavel_lishin wrote: post #3

At least one, according to the document. I'm curious how many more will turn out to have been working legally.

Do we know WHO ordered this ICE hit? Because this is a clown show of Epic proportions. Those guys were there to set up a factory for MAGA people to work at. This stunt has ignorance and stupidity stamped all over it.

Yes: https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-polit...
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