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Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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Re: Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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Semantically, AI has always been a superset of ML. So it's always been correct to call machine learning AI. All machine learning is AI, not all AI is machine learning.

Yet there's a very clear distinction between when companies use the term "AI" and when they use "machine learning".

Re: Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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They talk about "Apple Intelligence models" running on the phone. They dropped that name for their AI stuff in a few other spots, too.

Yeah. I think they talked about ML for the Watch workout feature as well (or was it the AirPods?) And I think for other features as well but I am not certain and I am not rewatching the whole thing. They’ve been putting AI in a lot of places over the years.

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Re: Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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Apple needs on-device AI to do chores for me with the apps I have installed. Apple has everything it needs:

* Apps are already logged in, so no extra friction to grant access.

* Apps mostly use Apple-developed UI frameworks, so Apple could turn them into AI-readable representations, instead of raw pixels. In the same way a browser can give the AI the accessibility DOM, Apple could give AIs an easier representation to read and manipulate.

* iPhones already have specialized hardware for AI acceleration.

I want to be able to tell my phone to a) summarize my finances across all the apps I have b) give me a list of new articles of a certain topic from my magazine/news apps c) combine internet search with on-device files to generate personal reports.

All this is possible, but Apple doesn't care to do this. The path not taken is invisible, and no one will criticize them for squandering this opportunity. That's a more subtle drawback with only having two phone operating systems.

Re: Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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I'll argue that face recognition, event detection and share recommendations are nice features. They are all done locally on your device for the last decade, at least.

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Not to be too, um, dismissive, but one of the things we discussed in my 300 level class called _Artificial Intelligence_ in college 2 decades ago was regular expressions, so, that ship has sailed far over the horizon.

Re: Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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I think this is the correct approach on a phone. I don't want AI front-and-center. I want it in the background quietly making everything better. To me, that's a much more useful form of AI.

And I want it turned the fuck off, quietly not doing anything with my personal shit. I want to reach for my tools when I want to use them.

Yeah, the annonying movies IPhone does from my photo library is something I'd love to opt out of. I get that some people love this feature but I don't. And as you say, I could ask the phone to do that for me on request.

Re: Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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I think it's more because they're way behind on AI and they literally have nothing to actually tell us.

As an Apple user, what are they behind on? What features are other makers shipping that Apple is missing? (Genuinely curious, perhaps there are third-party apps I can use to bridge the gap.)

You need to spend a week to disable all AI features in Pixel. You need to spend just a day to disable all AI features in iPhone.

Re: Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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post #33

Apple needs on-device AI to do chores for me with the apps I have installed. Apple has everything it needs: * Apps are already logged in, so no extra friction to grant access. * Apps mostly use Apple-developed UI frameworks, so Apple could turn them into AI-readable representations, instead of raw pixels. In the same way a browser can give the AI the accessibility DOM, Apple could give AIs an easier representation to…

I agree completely, it's really unfortunate how AI on apple devices has been going. The message summarization is borderline useless and widely mocked, meanwhile their giant billboard ads for it are largely stupid and uncompelling. Let me choose to give it access to my data if I want to do really useful stuff with on device processing. They've been leaning into the privacy thing, do the stuff that would be creepy if it left my device, generate push notification reminders for stuff I forgot to put in the calendar, or track my location and tell me I'm going to the wrong airport. Suggest birthday gifts for my friends and family, idk.

Edit: And add strong controls to limit what it can and cannot access, especially for the creepy stuff.

Re: Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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I think this is the correct approach on a phone. I don't want AI front-and-center. I want it in the background quietly making everything better. To me, that's a much more useful form of AI.

Actually if Siri ever worked when I really need it, they could finally catch up with their promises made in 2011.

Right? Siri lets me down on a regular basis - and has for years.

Re: Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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That's because people don't trust AI that much... and most people don't differentiate between a really cool feature and AI so it's more confusing marketing than anything.

> That's because people don't trust AI that much

ChatGPT being the number one app is a weird way for people to express they don't trust AI: https://apps.apple.com/us/charts/iphone

Re: Apple barely talked about AI at its big iPhone 17 event

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Apple needs on-device AI to do chores for me with the apps I have installed. Apple has everything it needs: * Apps are already logged in, so no extra friction to grant access. * Apps mostly use Apple-developed UI frameworks, so Apple could turn them into AI-readable representations, instead of raw pixels. In the same way a browser can give the AI the accessibility DOM, Apple could give AIs an easier representation to…

> In the same way a browser can give the AI the accessibility DOM, Apple could give AIs an easier representation to read and manipulate.

Apps already have such an accessibility tree; it's used for VoiceOver and you can use it to write UI unit tests. (If you haven't tested your own app with VoiceOver, you should.)

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