[dupe] Earlier, source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45137040
Navy SEALs reportedly killed North Korean fishermen to hide a failed mission
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#32It’s possible that Bolton was national security advisor at the time. The timing of this coverage might be to implicate him now.
The article says it was in 'Early 2019' and he was NSA until September, so he was surely at the helm. But it also says Trump greenlit the mission, so I'm not sure how an advisor would be implicated in anything - unless your point is that the current admin thinks he might be the source for this story?
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#33It’s possible that Bolton was national security advisor at the time. The timing of this coverage might be to implicate him now.
The article says it was in 'Early 2019' and he was NSA until September, so he was surely at the helm. But it also says Trump greenlit the mission, so I'm not sure how an advisor would be implicated in anything - unless your point is that the current admin thinks he might be the source for this story?
How are you relating NSA with the Navy?
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article says it was in 'Early 2019' and he was NSA until September, so he was surely at the helm. But it also says Trump greenlit the mission, so I'm not sure how an advisor would be implicated in anything - unless your point is that the current admin thinks he might be the source for this story?
How are you relating NSA with the Navy?
The Navy isn't in the wiretap business.
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#35[deleting this -- now that the source for the article has been changed, my comment is not as relevant]
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#36>you woke up before dawn with your companions to go diving in the freezing cold ocean, in hopes of putting some mussels on your family's table. But suddenly, you die. A man you have never met and whose presence you did not know about has shot you with his rifle. His companions stab your lungs so that your body will sink to the bottom of the sea. Your family will likely never know what happened to you. Man, fuck these…
> Meanwhile hollywood will churn out another hundred films about how Captain America would never let something like this happen because murdering innocents is not a line America would ever cross.
FWIW, Captain America's character arc throughout the MCU, at least (which is what I'd assume we mean by "Hollywood"), has largely been to realize that he can't actually trust the government and that not only is the government now corrupt (becoming so during his time skip), but it has always been just as bad: the "good government" he believed in from WWII was propaganda, it turned out SHIELD was a so deeply infiltrated with enemy spies that it was effectively an arm of HYDRA... even the UN's attempts at diplomacy inherently result in moral compromises that he refuses to accept, and, by the end, he ended up as a fugitive. I think you'd be hard pressed to watch these movies and think that Captain America's existence demonstrates that America would never cross such lines.
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#37This post has a title that differs from the article it cites?
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#39For anyone with direct knowledge, what's up with current military culture regarding secrecy? I knew SF guys from the Vietnam era and they didn't talk with outsiders. In fact, I can't think of any prominent "tell all" books from SOF operators from before the 21st century. Now we have ex-SEALs doing book deals.
A lot of these SEAL podcasters exist with explicit blessing from DoD pr department in an effort to improve recruitment
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#40> The plan called for the Navy to sneak a nuclear-powered submarine, nearly two football fields long, into the waters off North Korea and then deploy a small team of SEALs in two mini-subs, each about the size of a killer whale
The lengths some people willing to go just not to use the metric system