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I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by _mlbt »

sfpotter wrote: post #12
rbanffy wrote: post #2

One case is Bolsonaro in Brazil. He was elected and wasn’t re-elected four years later. He now will face trial for his attempted coup.

IMO this the most apt comparison with the US. Unfortunately we don't have a robust leftwing alternative. We had our Lula in the form of Sanders but we saw the DNC's response. I think if we fail to prevent fascism in this case it is most likely to be the democrats' fault.

The Democrat party's primaries aren't very democratic. The party elites selected (Hillary) Clinton, Biden, and Harris. Obama was the last candidate chosen by the people.

Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by smitty1e »

tkel wrote: post #19
numa7numa7 wrote: post #16

> We already have two incompatible visions of what America should be. One side wants a multi-ethnic democracy with a social safety net. The other wants a white Christian ethnostate with unlimited corporate power. Isn't JD Vance married to an Indian lady? The article is very interesting and smart and well written with some really great ideas, but I think there may be a little bit of hyperbole which Im still ok with.

And Thomas Jefferson had children with his slave.

And then there was a bloody civil war to eliminate chattel slavery.

These days we have more sophisticated control mechanisms involving government regulations.

Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by 000ooo000 »

foogazi wrote: post #26
sfpotter wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO this the most apt comparison with the US. Unfortunately we don't have a robust leftwing alternative. We had our Lula in the form of Sanders but we saw the DNC's response. I think if we fail to prevent fascism in this case it is most likely to be the democrats' fault.

Fascism is the fascists fault Assigning the blame to the “other” side seems like a cop out.

This is like saying failure to prevent crime is the criminals' fault.

Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by glimmung »

readthenotes1 wrote: post #25
rbanffy wrote: post #2

One case is Bolsonaro in Brazil. He was elected and wasn’t re-elected four years later. He now will face trial for his attempted coup.

The author even says "Finland 1932 is the only clean win I can find". So not 0. Maybe 0 when the future dictator is invited to power as a deep state move, not by the people but by the government?

Nope, the author's point is about what happens after fascists are elected, and he proposed no exceptions to that.

Finland was not cited as an exception. His point about Finland was that the fascists messed up - they tried to use violence before that point.

Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

000ooo000 wrote: post #34
foogazi wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fascism is the fascists fault Assigning the blame to the “other” side seems like a cop out.

This is like saying failure to prevent crime is the criminals' fault.

It is saying that crime is the criminals fault.

Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by xtiansimon »

foogazi wrote: post #26
sfpotter wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMO this the most apt comparison with the US. Unfortunately we don't have a robust leftwing alternative. We had our Lula in the form of Sanders but we saw the DNC's response. I think if we fail to prevent fascism in this case it is most likely to be the democrats' fault.

Fascism is the fascists fault Assigning the blame to the “other” side seems like a cop out.

> “…side seems like a cop out.”

I’d rather describe blaming “the Democrats“ as adopting the framing of this administration. They blame all “Democrats”, name a wide range of strawmen using the former president’s name like an adjective.

It’s quite destructive running around screaming rape, murder, fire. The president is willing to do it, the current congressional majority is all in, and the Supreme Court is YOLO. All branches are captured by the propaganda of this corrupt administration. This boat don’t turn around on the drop of a dime.

Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by IAmBroom »

numa7numa7 wrote: post #16

> We already have two incompatible visions of what America should be. One side wants a multi-ethnic democracy with a social safety net. The other wants a white Christian ethnostate with unlimited corporate power. Isn't JD Vance married to an Indian lady? The article is very interesting and smart and well written with some really great ideas, but I think there may be a little bit of hyperbole which Im still ok with.

> Isn't JD Vance married to an Indian lady?

What's your point? One GOP married a brown-skinned person, so they all get a pass?

Re: I researched every attempt to stop fascism in history. The success rate is 0%

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Post by IAmBroom »

AstralStorm wrote: post #18
numa7numa7 wrote: post #14

> What would the red states do, invade California? They would shut off the water supply to California

Good try, the state is rich and borders the ocean. They can afford water facilities.

Seawater isn't useful for agriculture, nor drinking.
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