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The cost of transparency: Living with schizoaffective disorder in tech

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Re: The cost of transparency: Living with schizoaffective disorder in tech

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Post by standardly »

alphazard wrote: post #11

> Silence means constantly monitoring my behavior for signs that might reveal my condition, avoiding discussions of mental health that might trigger suspicion and living with the constant anxiety that discovery will lead to rejection. This framing is at the very least maladaptive and possibly indicative of the mental illness they are writing about. Mentally healthy humans regulate their behavior around other humans d…

> There is no reason for an employer or professional colleagues to be aware of an employees medical issues.

Totally agree, but it can get a bit weird. I struggle with depression, and at times I have felt like I owed my co-workers/manager/boss an excuse as to why I "suck" sometimes. IE; I didn't show up late for the meeting because I am irresponsible, rather because I'm just in a bad spell this week and have brain fog. If I don't tell them, they may think the former. If I do tell them, who knows.

Re: The cost of transparency: Living with schizoaffective disorder in tech

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Post by nemomarx »

morleytj wrote: post #30

This is very unfortunate and I'm sorry to hear that the author has been excluded and is suffering to this extent. On another note though: "This isn't paranoia—it's pattern recognition honed by lived experience." I can't stop seeing the LLM verbiage everywhere I look. I feel like once you recognize the repeated syntax that got RLHF'd into all of these models you never stop seeing it. Maybe everyone is learning those p…

Yeah, I also kind of wish he published the blog in his own words instead of using what seems to be LLM polishing. It seems ironically like the same defensiveness and lack of transparency he wants to avoid?

Re: The cost of transparency: Living with schizoaffective disorder in tech

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Post by 4ggr0 »

sfn42 wrote: post #16
runjake wrote: post #10

The Python community didn’t exclude Kenneth because of his condition, at least directly. They excluded him because of his actions and history of shady, manipulative behaviors. And while workplaces should be accommodating, there’s a point where it gets to be too much. I worked at a place with a person with similar behaviors and it destroyed that company because they refused to acknowledge reality: this was a business,…

This blog I found seems to support your view https://vorpus.org/blog/why-im-not-collaborating-with-kennet...

There's an "apology"/response from Keith.

https://kennethreitz.org/essays/2023-01-an_overdue_apology

"i'm sorry, hope we can continue working together in the future" seems like a very mild response to allegedly fumbling 30k, but what do i know...

> the asynchronous landscape within Python's ecosystem failed to meet my expectations, leading me to conclude that Requests should retain its synchronous nature.

i concluded that the ecosystem does things differently than my personal standards, so i'm gonna revert and keep the money. nice.

Re: The cost of transparency: Living with schizoaffective disorder in tech

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Post by squigz »

morleytj wrote: post #30

This is very unfortunate and I'm sorry to hear that the author has been excluded and is suffering to this extent. On another note though: "This isn't paranoia—it's pattern recognition honed by lived experience." I can't stop seeing the LLM verbiage everywhere I look. I feel like once you recognize the repeated syntax that got RLHF'd into all of these models you never stop seeing it. Maybe everyone is learning those p…

Maybe everyone is just learning to be overly paranoid about the source of writing

Re: The cost of transparency: Living with schizoaffective disorder in tech

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Post by bradstewart »

morleytj wrote: post #30

This is very unfortunate and I'm sorry to hear that the author has been excluded and is suffering to this extent. On another note though: "This isn't paranoia—it's pattern recognition honed by lived experience." I can't stop seeing the LLM verbiage everywhere I look. I feel like once you recognize the repeated syntax that got RLHF'd into all of these models you never stop seeing it. Maybe everyone is learning those p…

What specifically is the LLM verbiage you're seeing here? That reads like a normal sentence to me.

Re: The cost of transparency: Living with schizoaffective disorder in tech

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Post by drcongo »

I was reading along with great sympathy until I got to this bit...

Schizoaffective disorder carries stigma that depression and anxiety don't. People can relate to feeling sad or worried; they cannot relate to experiencing reality differently.

Depression is not "feeling sad" and very much is experiencing reality differently. Flippantly calling something so horrifically painful "feeling sad" is exactly the kind of thing he's accusing everyone else of.

Re: The cost of transparency: Living with schizoaffective disorder in tech

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Post by jorvi »

481Jqgat wrote: post #18
sfn42 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This blog I found seems to support your view https://vorpus.org/blog/why-im-not-collaborating-with-kennet...

Written by Nathaniel Smith, who also got Oliphant out of the NumPy Steering Council? And that linked post was approved by the CoC compliant Python Steering Council, a later version of which canceled and defamed Tim Peters? Maybe Smith is right on the facts here, but the methods are despicable.

CoCs suck because the newly empowered people often wield it like a blunt hammer to bludgeon everyone they don't like. They're almost always applied arbitrarily and unfairly. They have the noble goal of equalization but they're really just a co-opting of power by a new in-group.

This blog post is nothing like that. They're not asking you to silence Kenneth, or ignore him, or oust him from anything. They're just laying down the facts. The post isn't even asking you to stop interacting with, it's just a heads-up for anyone who does.

Re: The cost of transparency: Living with schizoaffective disorder in tech

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Post by squigz »

4ggr0 wrote: post #33
sfn42 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This blog I found seems to support your view https://vorpus.org/blog/why-im-not-collaborating-with-kennet...

There's an "apology"/response from Keith. https://kennethreitz.org/essays/2023-01-an_overdue_apology "i'm sorry, hope we can continue working together in the future" seems like a very mild response to allegedly fumbling 30k, but what do i know... > the asynchronous landscape within Python's ecosystem failed to meet my expectations, leading me to conclude that Requests should retain its synchronous nature. i concluded…

4 years late and no clarification on what actually happened with the money.

Re: The cost of transparency: Living with schizoaffective disorder in tech

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Post by rini17 »

carlosjobim wrote: post #8
rini17 wrote: post #2

Sigh. I too would like to know an employer that can accomodate unpredictable performance or a partner willing to do emotional labor.

As for unpredictable performance, employers never want to have that. But it is possible if you have your own business or consultancy. Or if you work with art and creativity, where it is the norm to have ups and downs.

Idk artists I know have to work hard whenever there's some opportunity, regardless of whether they are up or down at the moment.
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