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There's a lot of disagreement about what "agent" means. As far as I can tell it is the same as AI chat, but with a really long response time.
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Ask yourself what happens when Claude releases Claude Code 2.0, which just uses AI to self-manage the swarms from a simpler prompt.
You would do the same thing with less work. Progress! If only, though; I find it easy to stump even the best model on brownfield code bases.
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Maybe you should contribute some of your ideas vs. bashing others who do?
There's a lot of disagreement about what "agent" means. As far as I can tell it is the same as AI chat, but with a really long response time.
I have not seen discrepancy in what "agent" means in the AI space. At the top is generally a chat model. Underneath are tools for (i.e.) working with files, MCP servers for more complex actions, and even more models for specialized tasks. It takes longer because there is more going on under the hood
No mention of what was actually built? Also, I have no desire to micromanage a bunch of robots. I rather build things.
I've primarily stayed working with one, but sometimes two, to first understand how to manage one, more like a pair-programming setup, but also see if they can be used more like a managed developer. They still do too many dumb things to let them loose, I have my doubts this will change without significant change to the underlying models.
Also, you need to spend the time to read what they wrote and check not just for correctness and test passing, but is this even the right approach. They misinterpret the question or task, even when spelled out painful detail. They lose their focus or get caught in loops.They love to write everything from scratch instead of using the helper packages sitting right there. It's like the bell curve flattened out, they are equally impressive as they are astonishingly moronic, context dependent (pun intended)
I’m not claiming vibe coded projects don’t have a place. I’m skeptical that using English prompts can build a maintainable code base as well as using a programming language.
> And, to be clear, when I say production ready I mean it had good test coverage, CI/CD, includes auth, background jobs, and integrates LLMs and other 3rd party APIs. I’d consider it a respectable alpha version of the product. So does any template off GitHub? When you run the Laravel Installer, you got pretty much all of these for free (sans LLM) And within a normal work week, you can have a valid prototype with an a…
You're 100% right; there are ways to move quickly without using AI to write the code. I also agree with you that you need to know what you're doing. If you're a total newbie you likely won't get as far using Laravel or something like that vs. a veteran who's been there & done that before.
This is a serious question, I'm not being snarky - do you run your comments through AI before posting them here?
No mention of what was actually built? Also, I have no desire to micromanage a bunch of robots. I rather build things.
I gotta say, nearly every thing I've built both at work and at home ends up being another tool I have to end up micro-managing to some degree or another.
It's funny how things have evolved. The modern tech stack is so inefficient at providing solutions that people grab and hold on to code gen as some kind of magic machine. We have gone from pragmatic, fast and stable foundation systems that could be extended by some small snippets of code (Drupal), RAD systems (Delphi, Visual Basic) where you could drop some components and some lines of code on a form to create functi…
Thanks for sharing your perspective. I don't agree that code generated by AI will be easily distinguishable from code generated by hand; I think it depends on who is authoring. Also, for what it's worth, if it achieves the business goals, is stable and performant, does it matter?