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Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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Post by bitpush »

prinny_ wrote: post #25
bitpush wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> First we have to close every company that depend on ads to survive. All of them. Spoken like someone who has never built anything of value in the world. Even Apple, who famously "hates advertising and adtech companies" makes ads to promote their products. Ads exist for a reason. Your statement is no better than "if your company emits carbon, you need to close". Sounds nice. Doesn't work

“Depends on ads to survive” is wildly different from “uses ads to promote the product it depends on to survive”. Apple doesn’t generate revenue from running ads. Google does because you can pay google to promote your ads and google makes money even when your product doesn’t sell.

> Apple doesn’t generate revenue from running ads.

Oh, how mistaken you are. Apple runs a profitable ads business. Not as cute as meta or Google, but still meaningful.

Earn revenue with advertising on Apple News - Apple Support https://support.apple.com/guide/news-publisher/earn-revenue-...

Apple doesn't report Ad business numbers in quarterly earnings report, so we have to rely on third party analyst reports.

> Last year, Apple’s U.S. ad business totaled $6.47 billion, but only accounted for 2.1% of total digital ad spending, according to eMarketer’s March 2025 forecast

https://digiday.com/marketing/when-it-comes-to-ads-apple-isn...

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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Post by sanswork »

scotty79 wrote: post #30
sanswork wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should you have the right to dictate that no one is allowed to pay for their services by watching ads? You're suggesting cutting off services for the majority of the planet because you are in a financial position to pay for what you want.

Same reason they shouldn't be able to pay with gambling, scamming, prostitution or their organs. Advertisement industry is all a scam. It's a privately levied tax that lets sellers win competition with themselves and ultimately the customer pays, both in price of products and in their attention as well.

Without advertising how does anyone get visibility into new products? You are proposing winner take all markets when you propose banning advertising.

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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Post by general1726 »

xeonmc wrote: post #28
general1726 wrote: post #18

I mean just try to sumarize ads running on YouTube: Lightsabers ad which is actually a torch - scam. Wooden cutting board as source of microplastics - scam. Muscular old geezer selling Tai-chi - grift and scam. Mobile games advertising a "playthrough" but real game is completely something else - scam. Palestinians having difficult life - propaganda. Israel delivering help to Palestine - counter propaganda. I have see…

> Lightsabers ad which is actually a torch - scam. Aren't they really just confined plasma torches though, lore-wise?

That would be candle in a flowerpot ad to save on energy bills.

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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Post by carlosjobim »

sanswork wrote: post #19
roscas wrote: post #16

Talking about ads, just went in the living room and tv was turned on and there were ads. I never see any ads but let me take 30 seconds to see what is on tv. Absolutly disgusting. Wasted 30 seconds of my life and now I need medication to sleep tonight after seeing the *it goes on tv.

How many seconds of your life were wasted reading an article about YouTube ads then commenting here multiple times? If you need medication to sleep after seeing a single ad that seems like a pretty serious problem that warrants avoiding media entirely.

I was gift hospitalized for three months after reading your comment. We are very sensitive here.

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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Post by sanswork »

bjourne wrote: post #26
sanswork wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should you have the right to dictate that no one is allowed to pay for their services by watching ads? You're suggesting cutting off services for the majority of the planet because you are in a financial position to pay for what you want.

Google has exploited network effects and the essentially free labor of millions of content creators to create a video platform no one can compete with. I don't find it the least immoral for me to block ads, while I watch someone play a game I like on a channel with less than 2k views/video. It's like running a farm at a huge deficit until everyone else goes out of business and then jacking up prices.

Google has offered free hosting for millions of content creators and once they are profitable offers them a revenue source. It further helps those creators by trying to stop freeloaders. You talk about Google exploiting creators while at the same time talking about removing their income. Google offers an easy way to support creators and avoid as. If you were really concerned with creator well being you could go that route or Subscribe to the patron or similar of every creator you enjoy and bypass YouTube entirely.

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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Post by sanswork »

dontlaugh wrote: post #27
sanswork wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should you have the right to dictate that no one is allowed to pay for their services by watching ads? You're suggesting cutting off services for the majority of the planet because you are in a financial position to pay for what you want.

That many using ad blockers would suggest there is something like a democratic mandate for disallowing ads as a business model.

Those are just people who expect things for free. Free loaders will always exist and they will always try to come up with justifications for why their free loading is actually noble and not just selfish.

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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Post by encrypted_bird »

xeonmc wrote: post #28
general1726 wrote: post #18

I mean just try to sumarize ads running on YouTube: Lightsabers ad which is actually a torch - scam. Wooden cutting board as source of microplastics - scam. Muscular old geezer selling Tai-chi - grift and scam. Mobile games advertising a "playthrough" but real game is completely something else - scam. Palestinians having difficult life - propaganda. Israel delivering help to Palestine - counter propaganda. I have see…

> Lightsabers ad which is actually a torch - scam. Aren't they really just confined plasma torches though, lore-wise?

No, a torch has a far shorter "beam", while a lightsaber is a very large "beam" compressed into a cylindrical shape by magnetic fields.

Either that or they meant "torch" as in "flashlight", which I've seen shitty lightsabers be.

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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Post by ndriscoll »

sanswork wrote: post #32
scotty79 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same reason they shouldn't be able to pay with gambling, scamming, prostitution or their organs. Advertisement industry is all a scam. It's a privately levied tax that lets sellers win competition with themselves and ultimately the customer pays, both in price of products and in their attention as well.

Without advertising how does anyone get visibility into new products? You are proposing winner take all markets when you propose banning advertising.

Retailers could always highlight high value products they are offering within their storefront (without being compensated by manufacturers to do so; that would be a scam ad).

Re: YouTube steps up fight against ad blockers again

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Post by ndriscoll »

sanswork wrote: post #36
dontlaugh wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That many using ad blockers would suggest there is something like a democratic mandate for disallowing ads as a business model.

Those are just people who expect things for free. Free loaders will always exist and they will always try to come up with justifications for why their free loading is actually noble and not just selfish.

If the "price" to load a webpage were that you run a crypto miner or give a site access to upload whatever files it feels from your computer, would you do it? Or would blocking such malware make you a free loader?
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