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I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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I don't see the dichotomy, both tools seem rather complementary to me.

For example I use LLMs to generate cards for me, and Anki's algorithm to make them stick.

Similarly a LLM plugin could easily present a fresh sentence each time you review a particular vocab

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

#32

I found Anki way too heavy and the available decks mostly wrong way around for actually learning vocabulary (that is they were from foreign language to native, instead of the other way around) and switching the direction was way too cumbersome. I have not yet found a really good tool for learning Mandarin, except for classes and actually talking with people and doing the hard work of writing the characters again and…

I was quite successful learning Mandarin by using Anki in the way that is typically discouraged, i.e., with a downloaded deck (SpoonFedChinese). I have very little time per day to devote to learning so building my own cars isn't an option, but with this and a couple of last-minute classes I went from HSK2 to HSK3.

I also find Du Chinese and The Chairman's Bao quite useful, although indeed for the writing, nothing seems to substitute actually writing. Right now I can read much more Mandarin than I can write.

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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post #20

I think that the author was using Anki incorrectly, and that led them to the spurious conclusion that "Anki is dead". I also have attempted to use Anki this way- using someone else's deck to try to force myself to learn something new. But that doesn't work, because it is just memorizing random symbols, as they noted in the article ("The enemy is the static card"). For example in maths learning, memorizing arbitrary t…

> that led them to the spurious conclusion that "Anki is dead"

It didn't. They wrote "Anki is dead" because it brings clicks.

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

#34

> The enemy is the static card. It always has the same front, formatting, and font. After enough reps I would latch on to little cues that are irrelevant to the meaning of the card, meaning I would skip the very important step of thinking deeply about the content. A fairly common occurrence was that a word in the sentence would remind me about the meaning of the sentence, giving away the answer to the target word, wh…

> Interestingly, that's the "trick" behind a lot of the seemingly magic skill of geo guessers. The best players have played so much, that they now "see" things that a regular person wouldn't even consider to look for, like the camera quality, what year the car was from, and so they narrow down the possible countries by those aspects, before even looking at the "picture".

Slightly OT, but this happens constantly with ML classifiers on any highly multi-dimensional problem. At first it seems like magic, and then someone digs into the principal components of the prediction, and finds a mixture of a few highly specific factors that -- in the worst case -- is an artifact of the dataset itself (image blur or color bias, for example).

Also common is that the predictive factors aren't pathological -- they're just "boring" -- and therefore the performance of the model is dismissed by the practitioner ("oh, I'd have thought of that, since it's only using a few common traits that are well-understood.")

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

#35
post #20

I think that the author was using Anki incorrectly, and that led them to the spurious conclusion that "Anki is dead". I also have attempted to use Anki this way- using someone else's deck to try to force myself to learn something new. But that doesn't work, because it is just memorizing random symbols, as they noted in the article ("The enemy is the static card"). For example in maths learning, memorizing arbitrary t…

Yeah. Anki (and flashcards in general) are great for helping you remember something _you_ learned (from a book, video, class, etc.). Not for transferring knowledge someone else learned.

Writing my own cards as I'm learning is the only way I've found it effective.

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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Appropriate use of Anki isn't so simple, it's a skill in itself. Here's my strategy specifically to learn vocabulary. TL = target language, NL = native language.

1- front: image+subtitle (in TL) back: word in TL.

2- fill-in-the-blank phrases for the word, fully in TL, translation shows up after completion (you HAVE to use the function where you actually type it out)

3- front: word in TL back: translation in NL with an image, also the inverse, but the image is always in the back. Making it a different picture as the one for 1 is essential

So each new word would generate me about 6 to 8 new cards. At a fast enough rate of card creation, you won't run into the problem of memorizing each card because you will be creating like 100 cards in a day. The "fatal mistake" (to quote the author) of this article is underestimating how much this process of card creation and organization aids in learning. Creating your own study material IS studying in itself.

That is, assuming the strategy being compared to LLMs here is the correct one of actually studying the language and creating your own Anki deck while you study the material, instead of the incorrect strategy of downloading a deck

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

#38
post #31

I don't see the dichotomy, both tools seem rather complementary to me. For example I use LLMs to generate cards for me, and Anki's algorithm to make them stick. Similarly a LLM plugin could easily present a fresh sentence each time you review a particular vocab

I was thinking the same thing. Currently all my cards try to all follow the same pattern, making it necessary to really remember at based on differences between them. (For example, I would never ask "What happened in 1914?" but instead just "1914" and have "Start of WWI" on the back, as a reversible card). LLMs could take such cards and provide the user with an endless stream of questions: What year did WWI begin? What happened in 1914? Which event took place in 1914? And so on. For vocabulary this might of course be even better when the word/phrase itself will always be contextualized in practice.

Re: I did 98,000 Anki reviews. Anki is already dead

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> The enemy is the static card. It always has the same front, formatting, and font. After enough reps I would latch on to little cues that are irrelevant to the meaning of the card, meaning I would skip the very important step of thinking deeply about the content. A fairly common occurrence was that a word in the sentence would remind me about the meaning of the sentence, giving away the answer to the target word, wh…

The one time I tried Anki u realised I started recalling the answers based on the shape of the words lay out on the card without necessarily reading them.
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