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Israel approves controversial West Bank settlement project

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Re: Israel approves controversial West Bank settlement project

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Netanyahu became PM in 1996. In his role as PM he signed follow up agreements to Oslo accords and handed over to PA control more parts west bank. As cabinet minister (in 2004?) he voted 4 times in favor of disengagement from gaza and removal of all jews from there (both life and dead). Later, when he became PM again, in speech that he gave he affirmed that he supports two state solution as long as palestinian state d…

What does Netanyahu's version of a two-state solution look like? I had imagined it as something like creating a country ("Palestine") in the West Bank, along the 1967 borders. But if so, what happens to the settlements that are (as TFA points out) still ongoing? Is there supposed to be a different border? Exclaves of Israel? Or are those settlers supposed to become part of Palestine?

same as was negotiated in all rounds, including clinton parameters. big settlement blocks go to israel, in land swaps (iirc like 3% or 5% of west bank). remote settlements are evacuated. PA demilitarized (as uk, france, canada, australia, etc say should be). school should stop teaching hate (unrwa teaching that one day they will come and will liberate entire israel since 50s. take a look at this the atlantic article from 1961 https://cdn.theatlantic.com/media/archives/1961/10/208-4/132... )

bibi in fact froze settlement construction once for 6 months (such freeze as precondition to negotiation never happened before. it was mess that obama created. construction inside limits of existing settlements) in order to get palestinians to negotiations table. they refused to negotiate and came to table only in last week, made no progress and left when construction was unfrozen.

this is lovely article that shows how obama killed all negotiations between israel and palestinians https://www.meforum.org/israeli-settlements-american-pressur...

Re: Israel approves controversial West Bank settlement project

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Same difference

at some point of time there was serious fallout between PA west bank and Hamas in Gaza (you need to remember that Hamas was elected as majority party by elections in 2006 and later there was coup attempt by PLO sponsored by usa, that succeeded in west bank and failed in gaza). As result of this fallout PA stopped transferring money to Gaza to pay salaries and for maintenance of all infrastructure and services. Mainst…

You folks being disingenuous as usual. Israel did not facilitate the payments to Hamas because of some humanitarian concern for Gazans(lol), they did it specifically for the purpose of undermining the PA so Netanyahu could point to Hamas and say “see we have no partner for peace” which is exactly what he’s done. [1]

He is directly quoted by many sources saying “ anyone who wants to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to support strengthening Hamas” which wholly contradicts your claims. [2]

It’s amazing to see how flat Israeli hasbara falls these days, it doesn’t hit like it used to, most people are now well informed to be gaslighted with lies.

[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...

[2] https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-border-troops-women-h...

Re: Israel approves controversial West Bank settlement project

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netanyahu became PM in 1996. In his role as PM he signed follow up agreements to Oslo accords and handed over to PA control more parts west bank. As cabinet minister (in 2004?) he voted 4 times in favor of disengagement from gaza and removal of all jews from there (both life and dead). Later, when he became PM again, in speech that he gave he affirmed that he supports two state solution as long as palestinian state d…

What does Netanyahu's version of a two-state solution look like? I had imagined it as something like creating a country ("Palestine") in the West Bank, along the 1967 borders. But if so, what happens to the settlements that are (as TFA points out) still ongoing? Is there supposed to be a different border? Exclaves of Israel? Or are those settlers supposed to become part of Palestine?

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Re: Israel approves controversial West Bank settlement project

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at some point of time there was serious fallout between PA west bank and Hamas in Gaza (you need to remember that Hamas was elected as majority party by elections in 2006 and later there was coup attempt by PLO sponsored by usa, that succeeded in west bank and failed in gaza). As result of this fallout PA stopped transferring money to Gaza to pay salaries and for maintenance of all infrastructure and services. Mainst…

You folks being disingenuous as usual. Israel did not facilitate the payments to Hamas because of some humanitarian concern for Gazans(lol), they did it specifically for the purpose of undermining the PA so Netanyahu could point to Hamas and say “see we have no partner for peace” which is exactly what he’s done. [1] He is directly quoted by many sources saying “ anyone who wants to prevent the establishment of a Pale…

i won't deny that it was comfortable for bibi politically at later point of time. there was also hope that it will make hamas to behave more responsibly as they run "country" and to moderate.

but the fact remains that money transfers started because there was international pressure on Israel to do so in order to prevent "humanitarian catastrophe".

feel free to search contemporary news. it important to know history beyond recent flashy headlines.

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You folks being disingenuous as usual. Israel did not facilitate the payments to Hamas because of some humanitarian concern for Gazans(lol), they did it specifically for the purpose of undermining the PA so Netanyahu could point to Hamas and say “see we have no partner for peace” which is exactly what he’s done. [1] He is directly quoted by many sources saying “ anyone who wants to prevent the establishment of a Pale…

i won't deny that it was comfortable for bibi politically at later point of time. there was also hope that it will make hamas to behave more responsibly as they run "country" and to moderate. but the fact remains that money transfers started because there was international pressure on Israel to do so in order to prevent "humanitarian catastrophe". feel free to search contemporary news. it important to know history be…

Let’s circle back, your claim is that Gaza was on the verge of humanitarian crisis, not because of Israel’s 25+ year siege, blockade and regular bombing campaigns, but because the PA stopped paying out salaries to Hamas?

This is absurd and you know it.

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i won't deny that it was comfortable for bibi politically at later point of time. there was also hope that it will make hamas to behave more responsibly as they run "country" and to moderate. but the fact remains that money transfers started because there was international pressure on Israel to do so in order to prevent "humanitarian catastrophe". feel free to search contemporary news. it important to know history be…

Let’s circle back, your claim is that Gaza was on the verge of humanitarian crisis, not because of Israel’s 25+ year siege, blockade and regular bombing campaigns, but because the PA stopped paying out salaries to Hamas? This is absurd and you know it.

shifting goal posts?

As i wrote, it was international media and un that claimed this. And there was international pressure on Israel

Re: Israel approves controversial West Bank settlement project

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Let’s circle back, your claim is that Gaza was on the verge of humanitarian crisis, not because of Israel’s 25+ year siege, blockade and regular bombing campaigns, but because the PA stopped paying out salaries to Hamas? This is absurd and you know it.

shifting goal posts? As i wrote, it was international media and un that claimed this. And there was international pressure on Israel

Since when did Netanyahu give a flying F about what international media thinks? Your argument that Netanyahu was swayed by international pressure doesn’t hold water.
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