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Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by verdverm »

Groxx wrote: post #21
decentrality wrote: post #2

DeltaDB sounds of being a >git innovation for coding itself, and would fulfill Zed's promises in Nathan Sobo's debate/discussion with Steve Yegge recently. Seems to solve a real problem which is growing rapidly, both in the old way and in the new way ... if it can overcome _slop_ in LLM chats, and the sheer enormity of code/data ahead. Trying to picture how coherence will survive. With claims/hype/concern floating ar…

For anyone not clicking through the link: it's from 5 months ago, predicting 90% of today's code will be from LLMs. > I think we will be there in three to six months, where AI is writing 90% of the code. They're going to keep saying it because it's a juicy sound bite and they're sales people . That doesn't make it any more true than "9 out of 10 dentists recommend our socks" or how we surely have all had flying cars…

I had a week where I embraced and went deep on ai first coding (not vibe, that'd be crazy)

The thing wrote at least 80%, so we aren't far off in this anecdotal instance. There are citizen devs who are building fun things for themselves where the AI does 100%

It made me realize these things are more capable than I knew, though they still do dumb stuff reliably. But, it is easy to undo those changes, so the productivity boost remains

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

#33

Post by yurishimo »

witx wrote: post #27

> we've been building the world's fastest IDE Any data to backup this?

You can try it out. I would say it’s aiming to be a more modern Sublime Text, which is a win to be considered in the same category imo.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

#34

Post by decentrality »

verdverm wrote: post #26
laweijfmvo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wouldn’t be the first time a massive investment from someone like sequoia sparks the death of a previously great tool/service

Yea, this announcement makes it less likely I will try Zed I don't want chat with coworkers in my IDE, nor do I feel the pains they describe with conversations spread between tools. It's not a top 5 problem

For the record: I have never used the collaboration aspects of Zed

What I also have not used is vim emulation, though I have a vim background

As mentioned elsewhere, Zed is still very configuration-dependent to get the full power of it, and a lot of its functionality is never discovered for that reason

What pushed me to try it was Ollama integration which is not an afterthought, then I realized I loved it _way_ more than SublimeText, especially on performance, at first, then everything else once that won me over

I have ~10 running instances at any given moment, and >99% of the time never feel any lag, whatsoever

Another unexpected benefit is that terminals, code editor panels, and assistant chats, get to be sized and fit wherever you want, so it is also kind of a window manager... I often have more terminals open in Zed than in the Window Manager of the OS itself

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

#35

Post by fragmede »

spudlyo wrote: post #25
mccoyb wrote: post #20

I love the spirit of Zed. From the principles to the low-level implementation details, it all screams "good taste". It's immensely interesting as an object of study (the code is great, from GPUI all the way up). Having said that, I don't think an editor should be VC backed. It's the obvious pragmatic choice to get a team together to support a thing, but I'm concerned by it.

The problem with accepting VC money is they will eventually demand a return on their investment, which means that the forces that drive enshitification will eventually come for Zed in some form. I suspect that we'll see more and more features locked behind a paid subscription and the open core of the editor will become neglected over time. Here I am on my free-as-in-freedom operating system, making commits with my fr…

I mean, eventually, sure. It took Uber around 15 years to get to profitability. ChatGPT came out in 2022, so get your predictions for 2037 in now.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

#36

Post by rtfeldman »

parentheses wrote: post #28
spudlyo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with accepting VC money is they will eventually demand a return on their investment, which means that the forces that drive enshitification will eventually come for Zed in some form. I suspect that we'll see more and more features locked behind a paid subscription and the open core of the editor will become neglected over time. Here I am on my free-as-in-freedom operating system, making commits with my fr…

Note to Zed: I prefer paid products to enshittened ones. Please please please, get paid rather than holding on too tightly to making things free forcing future enshittening.

We're working on it! :)

You can pay for Zed today if you'd like - https://zed.dev/pricing - and also the editor itself is open-source under the GPLv3 license. So if at any point in the future Zed changes direction in a way you don't like, you are perpetually free to build the version you liked from source (or make a community fork and take it in a different direction).

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

#37

Post by adastra22 »

Groxx wrote: post #21
decentrality wrote: post #2

DeltaDB sounds of being a >git innovation for coding itself, and would fulfill Zed's promises in Nathan Sobo's debate/discussion with Steve Yegge recently. Seems to solve a real problem which is growing rapidly, both in the old way and in the new way ... if it can overcome _slop_ in LLM chats, and the sheer enormity of code/data ahead. Trying to picture how coherence will survive. With claims/hype/concern floating ar…

For anyone not clicking through the link: it's from 5 months ago, predicting 90% of today's code will be from LLMs. > I think we will be there in three to six months, where AI is writing 90% of the code. They're going to keep saying it because it's a juicy sound bite and they're sales people . That doesn't make it any more true than "9 out of 10 dentists recommend our socks" or how we surely have all had flying cars…

By sheer volume, that 90% number might be right.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by danr4 »

mccoyb wrote: post #20

I love the spirit of Zed. From the principles to the low-level implementation details, it all screams "good taste". It's immensely interesting as an object of study (the code is great, from GPUI all the way up). Having said that, I don't think an editor should be VC backed. It's the obvious pragmatic choice to get a team together to support a thing, but I'm concerned by it.

> "I don't think an editor should be VC backed"

it's a software company. they sell software.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by k_bx »

I don't know what's DeltaDB, but if it will be able to show when a commit is simultaneously a refactoring and a change of code being refactored (moved into another module) – I would love to see that! At the moment if you refactor you punish the people reviewing the code, which reverses the motivation for cleaning things up.
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