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Growing up in germany has lead me to have a somewhat blind-eye regarding this topic. But this is just pure evil.

Be careful. This comment ("pure evil") is illegal in Germany, under the antisemitism law. Many people got arrested for less. Police show up at apartments unannounced and take all electronic devices. You do not mess around with German law.

Saying that about a country is not illegal.

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Given that all other problems in the world have now been resolved, it is fair for every news item relating to Palestine to reach the HN front page.

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HN (to me) has always mostly been about the other 5%.

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#33
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How come every time the Israeli crimes are featured in HN, the corresponding article is flagged?

Pretty easy to explain. Israelis, just like other people read HN too. They don't like such articles, so they flag them. If an article receives several flags, it's marked as flagged. Also, HN is tech site, not political site, so I'm not surprised by this, such articles may be considered off-topic.

It's because of an agenda which goes beyond the politics the present conflict. For example, just in the last 24 hours, there were at least two submissions here about Jewish/Israeli sexual violence. Both were old articles (so not news) about crimes that occur in every population. We don't see this sort of interest in digging up dirt on other small minority groups.

(Not that any particular submitter is to blame; the issue is systematic.)

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Pretty easy to explain. Israelis, just like other people read HN too. They don't like such articles, so they flag them. If an article receives several flags, it's marked as flagged. Also, HN is tech site, not political site, so I'm not surprised by this, such articles may be considered off-topic.

It's because of an agenda which goes beyond the politics the present conflict. For example, just in the last 24 hours, there were at least two submissions here about Jewish/Israeli sexual violence. Both were old articles (so not news) about crimes that occur in every population. We don't see this sort of interest in digging up dirt on other small minority groups. (Not that any particular submitter is to blame; the is…

What is that agenda exactly?

And which stories? The one about the Israeli US Attorney letting an Israeli pedophile flee the US?

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I used to think that it’s beneficial to separate tech from politics but I’m convinced now that it’s a delusional stance. Politics is in tech whether we like it or not, CEOs have their political agenda and ideologies and often talk about them openly, their products directly impact people’s lives, some change the entire society. In the case of the Gaza genocide, Lavender and Gospel systems are the direct enabelers of s…

Let's assume that I have an idea on my mind that could potentially change the power generation and usage landscape and society (think 80% efficient solar power AND 80% reduction in power usage in data centers AND increase power output from most existing power plants by 30% AND solve power storage problem), but I wonder how should I approach distributing it. Should I somehow prevent Chinese, Israelis and USA from havi…

Silly me.

Here I thought the genocide of the Palestinian people was a violent and malignant land grab and ethnic cleansing with the added touch of being religiously righteous in the eyes of the oppressors, but you've opened my eyes that these efforts are in fact meant to achieve "80% efficient solar power AND 80% reduction in power usage in data centers AND increase power output from most existing power plants by 30% AND solve power storage problem".

Thank you for your enlightening perspective.

I mean, I am still wondering how any of those metrics justify killing and starving and entire population, but I guess, "line go up!"

Re: BBC witnesses settlers attack on Palestinian farm in West Bank

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post #16

How come every time the Israeli crimes are featured in HN, the corresponding article is flagged?

Because HackerNews is News for Hackers and not the latest update in a 4000 year old squabble.

No it's not, it's never been about hackers except in name. It's about startups and venture capital. Always has been. Doesn't invalidate the point you are trying to make, though.

Re: BBC witnesses settlers attack on Palestinian farm in West Bank

#38
post #15

Growing up in germany has lead me to have a somewhat blind-eye regarding this topic. But this is just pure evil.

I’m absolutely baffled by Germans at this point. I’ve been taking to many Germans in the beginning of the genocide and the major feedback I got was « given what we did to the Jews… we can’t criticize Israel ». Now almost two years after, countless of massive crimes and violated international laws later, I really can’t fathom how people are not outside shouting to their government to stop supporting this evil state (w…

If you run outside your apartment in Germany and shout to the German government you will be arrested and you will not be treated kindly. They come down very very harshly on critics of Israel. Entire institutions have been destroyed (as in removal of 100% of funding, bank account closed, raided by police, electricity disconnected (during the police raid), building forcibly sold to real estate developers, etc) for stuff as simple as hosting one single one-hour speech by a native Palestinian. You can look up what happened to the Oyoun cultural center, or the Berlin Palestine Conference in 2024.

The police justification? "There is a risk that a speaker will repeatedly be shown via video who in the past made antisemitic remarks and glorified violence. For this reason, the gathering was ended and banned on Saturday and Sunday as well." - nothing that actually happened, but rather for a suspicion that words might be said later, the entire conference was immediately terminated, banned, and violently evicted. There is not much video of the eviction since filming private gatherings is generally illegal in Germany. https://mondoweiss.net/2024/04/police-raid-berlin-conference...

No sane resident of Germany would risk it. You comply with the government or else, no different than Russia or China.

Re: BBC witnesses settlers attack on Palestinian farm in West Bank

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post #31
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Be careful. This comment ("pure evil") is illegal in Germany, under the antisemitism law. Many people got arrested for less. Police show up at apartments unannounced and take all electronic devices. You do not mess around with German law.

Saying that about a country is not illegal.

It's not being said about a country. It's being said about specific people - the settlers that the BBC witnessed attacking a Palestinian farm.

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From what I understand, US still supports Israel. Public opinion matters to politicians, so it's not 0.000% chance.

Drake Equation: {total # of HN readers} * {% who are American voters} * {% who bother reading submissions/comments on this topic} * {% who meaningfully change their opinion on the subject as a result of such reading} * {% who change to strongly opposing US support for Israel (because politicians don't much care about druthers)} * {% who "stick" in that new position, long-term} * ... Multiply it out. Then compare to t…

Sure, then stick your head in the sand and keep supporting Israel. It's not going to change my view on US anyway, it only confirms it.
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