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The lottery ticket hypothesis: why neural networks work

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Re: The lottery ticket hypothesis: why neural networks work

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This article is like a quick street rap. Lots of rhythm, not much thesis. Big on tone, light on analysis...Or no actual thesis other than a feelgood factor. I want these 5 min back.

Do you think a GPT that already trained on something "feels" the same way when reading it a second time?

Re: The lottery ticket hypothesis: why neural networks work

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Enjoyed the article. To play devil’s advocate, an entirely different explanation for why huge models work: the primary insight was framing the problem as next-word prediction. This immediately creates an internet-scale dataset with trillions of labeled examples, which also has rich enough structure to make huge expressiveness useful. LLMs don’t disprove bias-variance tradeoff; we just found a lot more data and the GP…

Language then would be the key factor enabling complex learning in meat space too? I feel like I’ve heard this debate before….

Re: The lottery ticket hypothesis: why neural networks work

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post #23

Rather than reframing intelligence itself, wouldn’t Occam’s Razor suggest instead that this isn’t intelligence at all?

> Intelligence isn't about memorising information—it's about finding elegant patterns that explain complex phenomena. Scale provides the computational space needed for this search, not storage for complicated solutions. I think the word finding is overloaded, here. Are we "discovering," "deriving," "deducing," or simple "looking up" these patterns? If "finding" can be implemented via a multi-page tour—ie deterministi…

Even simpler: intelligence is the art of simplifying. LLMs can fool us if they reduce a book into one wise-looking statement, but remove the deceptive medium - our language - and tell it to reduce a vast dataset of points into one formula, and LLMs will show how much intelligence they truly have.

Re: The lottery ticket hypothesis: why neural networks work

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Enjoyed the article. To play devil’s advocate, an entirely different explanation for why huge models work: the primary insight was framing the problem as next-word prediction. This immediately creates an internet-scale dataset with trillions of labeled examples, which also has rich enough structure to make huge expressiveness useful. LLMs don’t disprove bias-variance tradeoff; we just found a lot more data and the GP…

Language then would be the key factor enabling complex learning in meat space too? I feel like I’ve heard this debate before….

as a researcher in NLP slash computational linguistics, this is what I tend to think :) (maybe a less strong version, though, there are other kinds of thinking and learning).

so I'm always surprised when some linguists decry LLMs, and cling to old linguistics paradigms instead of reclaiming the important role of language as (a) vehicle of intelligence.

Re: The lottery ticket hypothesis: why neural networks work

#35

Enjoyed the article. To play devil’s advocate, an entirely different explanation for why huge models work: the primary insight was framing the problem as next-word prediction. This immediately creates an internet-scale dataset with trillions of labeled examples, which also has rich enough structure to make huge expressiveness useful. LLMs don’t disprove bias-variance tradeoff; we just found a lot more data and the GP…

Language then would be the key factor enabling complex learning in meat space too? I feel like I’ve heard this debate before….

I'm no expert but have been thinking about this a lot lately. I wouldn't be surprised - language itself seems to be an expression of the ability to create an abstraction, distill the world into compressed representations, and manipulate symbols. It seems fundamental to human intelligence.

Re: The lottery ticket hypothesis: why neural networks work

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In some sense, isn't this overfitting, but "hidden" by the typical feature sets that are observed? Time and time again, some kind of process will identify some simple but absurd adversarial "trick stimulus" that throws off the deep network solution. These seem like blatant cases of over fitting that go unrecognized or unchallenged in typical life because the sampling space of stimuli doesn't usually include the adver…

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Re: The lottery ticket hypothesis: why neural networks work

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Rather than reframing intelligence itself, wouldn’t Occam’s Razor suggest instead that this isn’t intelligence at all?

IMO Occam's Razor suggests that this is exactly what intelligence is.

The ability to compress information, specifically run it through a simple rule that allows you to predict some future state.

The rules are simple but finding them is hard. The ability to find those rules, compress information, and thus predict the future efficiently is the very essence of intelligence.

Re: The lottery ticket hypothesis: why neural networks work

#39

Enjoyed the article. To play devil’s advocate, an entirely different explanation for why huge models work: the primary insight was framing the problem as next-word prediction. This immediately creates an internet-scale dataset with trillions of labeled examples, which also has rich enough structure to make huge expressiveness useful. LLMs don’t disprove bias-variance tradeoff; we just found a lot more data and the GP…

Same thing with Computer Vision, as Andrew Ng pointed out, the main thing that enabled the rapid progress was not new models, but mostly due to large _labeled_ datasets, particularly ImageNet.

Re: The lottery ticket hypothesis: why neural networks work

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post #39

Enjoyed the article. To play devil’s advocate, an entirely different explanation for why huge models work: the primary insight was framing the problem as next-word prediction. This immediately creates an internet-scale dataset with trillions of labeled examples, which also has rich enough structure to make huge expressiveness useful. LLMs don’t disprove bias-variance tradeoff; we just found a lot more data and the GP…

Same thing with Computer Vision, as Andrew Ng pointed out, the main thing that enabled the rapid progress was not new models, but mostly due to large _labeled_ datasets, particularly ImageNet.

Yes larger usable datasets, paired with an acceleration of mainstream parallel computing power (GPUs), with increasing algorithm flexibility (CUDA).

Without all three, progress would have been much slower.

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