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When did AI take over Hacker News?

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Re: When did AI take over Hacker News?

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Post by giancarlostoro »

jacquesm wrote: post #29

I'm more annoyed at the - clearly - AI based comments than the articles themselves. The articles are easy to ignore, the comments are a lot harder. In light of that I'd still love it if HN created an ignore feature, I think the community is large enough now that that makes complete sense. It would certainly improve my HN experience.

A little unrelated but the biggest feature I want for HN is to be able to search specifically threads and comments I've favorited / upvoted. I've liked hundreds if not thousands of articles / comments. If I could narrow down my searches to all that content I would be able to find gems of the web a lot easier.

Re: When did AI take over Hacker News?

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Post by zachperkel »

snowwrestler wrote: post #21

Would be fun to do similar analysis for HN front page trends that peaked and then declined, like cryptocurrency, NFTs, Web3, and self-driving cars. And actually it’s funny: self-driving cars and cryptocurrency are continuing to advance dramatically in real life but there are hardly any front page HN stories about them anymore. Shows the power of AI as a topic that crowds out others. And possibly reveals the trendy na…

maybe I'll do that next :)

Re: When did AI take over Hacker News?

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Post by jraph »

righthand wrote: post #26
debesyla wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to make sure, which part of HN are you looking at? Because at least what I managed to count at this very moment on the front page (page 1), there are 24 non-AI and non-LLM related topics out of 30. Is that rare?

It’s the weekend, just wait until Monday and you will see at least 50% of the front page is AI-domain related content until Friday afternoon.

More like one third when it's peak, one quarter on a quieter day.

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Post by phyzix5761 »

ryandrake wrote: post #17
rising-sky wrote: post #9

What I found insightful about this article was the framing of another article cited. > " This pretty negative post topping Hacker News last month sparked these questions, and I decided to find some answers, of course, using AI" The pretty negative post cited is https://tomrenner.com/posts/llm-inevitabilism/ . I went ahead to read it, and found it, imo, fair. It's not making any direct pretty negative claims about AI,…

Weird what counts as "negative" on HN. Question something politely? You're being negative. Criticize something? Negative. Describe it in a way someone might interpret badly? Negative. Sometimes it seems like anything that's not breathless, unconditional praise is considered being negative and curmudgeonly. It's turning into a "positive thoughts only" zone.

This is such a good comment. I have nothing but positive things to say about it. It's amazing!

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Post by perching_aix »

ryandrake wrote: post #17
rising-sky wrote: post #9

What I found insightful about this article was the framing of another article cited. > " This pretty negative post topping Hacker News last month sparked these questions, and I decided to find some answers, of course, using AI" The pretty negative post cited is https://tomrenner.com/posts/llm-inevitabilism/ . I went ahead to read it, and found it, imo, fair. It's not making any direct pretty negative claims about AI,…

Weird what counts as "negative" on HN. Question something politely? You're being negative. Criticize something? Negative. Describe it in a way someone might interpret badly? Negative. Sometimes it seems like anything that's not breathless, unconditional praise is considered being negative and curmudgeonly. It's turning into a "positive thoughts only" zone.

Are you saying this based on the dataset shared? Like you inspected some randomized subset of the sentiment analysis and this is what you found?

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Post by chpatrick »

dgfitz wrote: post #24
greesil wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It certainly looks like thinking

And magic tricks look like magic. Turns out they’re not magical. I am so floored that at least half of this community, usually skeptical to a fault, evangelizes LLMs so ardently. Truly blows my mind. I’m open to them becoming more than a statistical token predictor, and I think it would be really neat to see that happen. They’re nowhere close to anything other than a next-token-predictor.

When you type you're also producing one character at a time with some statistical distribution. That doesn't imply anything regarding your intelligence.

Re: When did AI take over Hacker News?

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Post by pessimizer »

I guarantee these trends are no different than Google News or any other news aggregator. AI didn't take over HN specifically; at some point HN fell behind the mainstream rather than rushing in front of it. This was due to extremely heavy moderation explicitly and plainly meant to silence the complaints of black people and women in tech (extremely successfully, I might add.) These discussions were given the euphemism "politics" and hand-modded out of existence.

Discussions about the conflicts between political parties and politicians to pass or defeat legislation, and the specific advocacy or defeat of specific legislation; those were not considered political. When I would ask why discussions of politics were not considered political, but black people not getting callbacks from their resumes was, people here literally couldn't understand the question. James Damore wasn't "political" for months somehow; it was only politics from a particular perspective that made HN uncomfortable enough that they had to immediately mod it away.

At that point, the moderation became just sort of arbitrary in a predictable, almost comforting way, and everything started to conform. HN became "VH1": "MTV" without the black people. The top stories on HN are the same as on Google News, minus any pro-Trump stuff, extremely hysterical anti-Trump stuff, or anything about discrimination in or out of tech.

I'm still plowing along out of habit, annoying everybody and getting downvoted into oblivion, but I came here because of the moderation; a different sort of moderation that decided to make every story on the front page about Erlang one day.

What took over this site back then would spread beyond this site: vivid, current arguments about technology and ethics. It makes sense that after a lot of YC companies turned out to be comically unethical and spread misery, rentseeking, and the destruction of workers rights throughout the US and the world, the site would give up on the pretense of being on the leading edge of anything positive. We don't even talk about YC anymore, other than to notice what horrible people and companies are getting a windfall today.

The mods seem like perfectly nice people, but HN isn't even good for finding out about new hacks and vulnerabilities first anymore. It's not ahead of anybody on anything. It's not even accidentally funny; templeos would have had to find somewhere else to hang out.

Maybe this is interesting just because it's harder to get a history of Google News. You'd have to build it yourself.

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