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Re: Mark Zuckerberg's vision for humanity is terrifying

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is addiction media, or dopamine hacking media. Meta's recent earnings report was great partially because AI was used to boost engagement on ads by 5% to 10%, which was enough to get investors on board for the massive capex. ("Datacenters the size of Manhattan" as per Zuckerberg). Datacenters the size of Manhattan and dedicated nuclear power plants, for an 8.5% boost in advertising engagement. The world is in a ver…

I realize this is a dumb question, but: all of these advertising supported business must be downstream of the “real economy” (of products and goods) in some way. After all, for ad revenue to rise continuously it must be the case that product and service companies are continuously spending more on advertising. And yet in the stock market, nearly all growth comes from these ad-supported companies and earnings elsewhere…

Ad spending is definitely cyclical, and it's arguable there is complacency on that front.

That said, it wasn't that long ago where the space had a total washout (2022), and despite markets being relatively richly valued, the mega-cap ad companies have only gotten a strong bid more recently (institutional money has actually been under-exposed to the large tech names ex-NVIDIA based on historical look back). Google was actually near value territory until recently.

It's hard to predict how sustainable at all is though. One of the big factors is that these companies had a lot of intangible value that they could pull from. Ex: Meta could monetize Whatsapp, Google could actually ban YouTube ad-blockers (hey, they finally forced me to subscribe), and these companies also have some pricing power to harvest if needed. Then there is a layoff angle, which may not be great for their long-term success, but they have the power to lighten up and route massive buybacks if they ever want to focus on stock price (see META post 2022).

The other poster commenting about the sheer size of these companies is right too. The passive investing complex drives ever more money into ever bigger companies. Then you have trend following money (and most investors are trend following to some degree) reinforce those flows, and it creates a virtuous cycle ever upwards. On the sustainability question, it does look like quite a self perpetuating cycle but there's the caveat that these flows can reverse. If money were to flow out of US markets on net, such as the mega sell off earlier this year with 7% down days, then the piper is paid.

So to break it down, it's sustainable as long as American financial exceptionalism remains strong, and as long as these companies don't exhaust the levers that they can pull. Nonetheless, advertising is cyclical, and sometime in the future, you can guarantee that there will be another cycle of pessimism combined with weaker earnings (both of which combined to cause a major earnings contraction in a sector). When that happens, well that's not so easy to predict. In the meantime, these companies have pretty huge cash flows.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's vision for humanity is terrifying

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post #8

Social media itself has become pretty bleak. "Today, only a fraction of time spent on Meta’s services – 7% on Instagram, 17% on Facebook – involves consuming content from online “friends” (“friend sharing”). A majority of time spent on both apps is watching videos, increasingly short-form videos that are “unconnected” – i.e., not from a friend or followed account – and recommended by AI-powered algorithms Meta develo…

Indeed. I dont use social media, so grain of salt and all that, but social media feels more like endless amateur TV shared socially.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's vision for humanity is terrifying

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post #11

I still don't understand how the general public trusts anything Mark says. Investors, I understand, they only care about money, and perhaps rightfully so. But the community, why?

Where does the general public trust him? The general public uses Facebook to keep in touch with people or look at cat videos - and Facebook of course does whatever Mark wants. But I don't see how any trust between him and his users is involved.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's vision for humanity is terrifying

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post #11

I still don't understand how the general public trusts anything Mark says. Investors, I understand, they only care about money, and perhaps rightfully so. But the community, why?

He just doesn't seem particularly untrustworthy. I don't agree with his vision for humanity, but given the amount of money he's tossing at AI researchers, it seems clear that he genuinely believes it and is genuinely pursuing it.

I think the OP meant the general public trusting him with our data. Rather than some promises he made to some investors.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg's vision for humanity is terrifying

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>Deny cookies >Deny signups >Notification blocked. >Scroll down 2 screens consisting or 1.7 screens worth of ads. >The ad-video I scrolled past becomes a sticky party of the header and consumes 30% of the screen real estate. Despite this a new static ad enters my screen before the last one is out of it. Oh yeah it's totally Zucks vision that is the horror here.

That's why I will never give up my adblocker. And I never make exceptions.. That page loaded cleanly for me.
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