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Job Listing Site Highlighting H-1B Positions So Americans Can Apply

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Re: Job Listing Site Highlighting H-1B Positions So Americans Can Apply

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Post by ahmeneeroe-v2 »

smnrchrds wrote: post #8
danesparza wrote: post #5

I searched for 'go' (expecting there to be too many results -- I usually have to specify 'golang'). I got a single result. For an auto technician. For Ferraris. (not kidding: https://www.jobs.now/jobs/150823097-ferrari-classic-master-t... ) Oh, the irony. As a simple comparison, doing a quick job search for 'golang' on dice.com yields 5k+ jobs. Tell me why I'm going to use jobs.now again?

The only effect of applying to jobs on jobs.now is that someone who is already working in the US on H1-B, and was gonna get green card if you hadn't applied, would instead stay on H1-B.

Okay but the 2nd order effect of doing this is that we're not permanently bringing in competitors for US jobs

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Post by gboss »

ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #28
aiauthoritydev wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The law itself is pretty idiotic. Why would an employer give up a well accustomed well proven candidate for the sake of some random guy, waste money to recruitment and cross fingers that the employee would actually join and perform ? It is like giving up a lottery ticket you have won for another lottery ticket. Also, the law mandates certain compliance steps which the employers do. There is no expectation that they s…

>A better solution would be to hand a greencard to any immigrant who has worked for 5 years and has earned a certain high salary as proven by the W2. Huge non-sequitur. Why is this better? Better for whom?

Better for everyone because the talented H1B employee is no longer shackled to their employer and can leave demanding a higher wage and raising wages for everyone.

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Post by georgemcbay »

gboss wrote: post #32
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>A better solution would be to hand a greencard to any immigrant who has worked for 5 years and has earned a certain high salary as proven by the W2. Huge non-sequitur. Why is this better? Better for whom?

Better for everyone because the talented H1B employee is no longer shackled to their employer and can leave demanding a higher wage and raising wages for everyone.

Well you just answered why they don't/won't do this.

The H1B employees being shackled and thus having little to no leverage to demand higher compensation or better working conditions is (from the point of view of the companies abusing the system) a feature of the system, not a bug.

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Post by 1024core »

The "best" part about H1-B (from a company's viewpoint) is that it's very difficult to switch jobs if you're on an H1-B. So you basically become an indentured servant, always afraid Da Bossman will fire you and you'll have 30 days to get out of the country. There's no way they can pull such shit on American workers.

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Post by Ocha »

1024core wrote: post #34

The "best" part about H1-B (from a company's viewpoint) is that it's very difficult to switch jobs if you're on an H1-B. So you basically become an indentured servant, always afraid Da Bossman will fire you and you'll have 30 days to get out of the country. There's no way they can pull such shit on American workers.

that’s not true - it’s pretty easy to switch. Your application does not count against new quota - employer just needs to pay a lawyer to file paperwork and done. Been there, done that.

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Post by jltsiren »

mavelikara wrote: post #12
smnrchrds wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

H1-Bs are indefinitely renewable as long as you keep your job.

No. They are indefinitely renewable only if a GC application is pending. Otherwise, they expire after two terms i.e. six years.

It's six years in total, excluding time spent outside the US. The status is valid for at most three calendar years, but it can be shorter for fixed-term positions. And you can renew it as long as your total time in the US is less than 6 years.

I was on H-1B at a university where researcher appointments were nominally from July of year N to June of year N+2. But if you didn't start in July, your second appointment might be only 1 year, for some bureaucratic reasons. And you had to renew the H-1B for each appointment. I had five H-1Bs in total over ~7 years.

Re: Job Listing Site Highlighting H-1B Positions So Americans Can Apply

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #26
healsdata wrote: post #16

At least one company I worked at purposefully crafted these job descriptions so that no one would be qualified. They'd find the most obscure parts of our tech stack, require hands on experience with each library, knowledge of our niche, and so on. You basically had to be already working for us to have the required experience.

As someone who used to work in contract recruiting, hiring requirements that made absolutely no sense and were fishing for H1-B eligibility were common. I'm still adamant about the idea that an H1 should be paid at least 120% of the average salary for the position at the hiring company. If it's THAT hard to hire an American, then clearly you should need to pay more for such rare expertise.

Trump is at least taking a step in the right direction by changing the H1-B lottery system to favor more highly paid and skilled candidates, but as you say to remove the current rampant abuse it should be made mandatory to pay more than the market rate for the position.

Personally I'd just scrap the H1-B program altogether, and let the free market sort it out. H1-B is almost as bad as simply exporting jobs via outsourcing. Laws should be made to benefit US citizens, not US companies and shareholders.

Re: Job Listing Site Highlighting H-1B Positions So Americans Can Apply

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Post by orochimaaru »

Ocha wrote: post #35
1024core wrote: post #34

The "best" part about H1-B (from a company's viewpoint) is that it's very difficult to switch jobs if you're on an H1-B. So you basically become an indentured servant, always afraid Da Bossman will fire you and you'll have 30 days to get out of the country. There's no way they can pull such shit on American workers.

that’s not true - it’s pretty easy to switch. Your application does not count against new quota - employer just needs to pay a lawyer to file paperwork and done. Been there, done that.

It’s not easy to switch. I’ve been on this more than a decade ago and if you’re laid off or leave you have 60 days to find something new.

Any job you take you need your new employer to be able to undertake the effort for H1B renewals and the inevitable green card application. There’s big companies that do it and smaller ones that will absolutely refuse to.

Either way an H1B prefers to stick around until the green card is done. They will not willingly prior to that unless they see a much better offer.

Re: Job Listing Site Highlighting H-1B Positions So Americans Can Apply

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Post by y-curious »

Cool, a job board site where you're guaranteed to be rejected because they are only posting the job to hire an H1B. Is there any legal mechanism in place by which this jams up the company posting these? I don't think so. They'll just say you aren't qualified and move on

Re: Job Listing Site Highlighting H-1B Positions So Americans Can Apply

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Post by bubblethink »

missedthecue wrote: post #13
danesparza wrote: post #4

So the narrative of this site is that they think recruiters are doing a poor job of spamming me with positions that nobody wants? I mean, hiring is down -- but I still get those spam messages. (And spoiler alert: I still don't want those positions)

No, the ELI5 is that the companies are posting jobs in a way that makes it very inconvenient to find online or apply for them, to ensure it goes to the H1B visa holder and not to an American national. (actually it's less about filling the job itself and more about the PERM greencard process, but that's not super relevant to the explanation.) By law, these companies must prove the job cannot be filled by an American i…

>but that's not super relevant to the explanation

It is entirely relevant to the explanation. PERM and H1B are entirely different processes handled by different departments of the government.

>One way to 'ensure' this is to only advertise jobs in newspapers or in radio advertisements

That's not some nefarious plot. The government (Dept. of Labor) requires them to post these ads in newspapers. If the government didn't, they wouldn't post these asinine ads.

>That way, the American never knows the job exists

The job does not exist for all practical purposes because there is already someone working in that job. Perhaps your goal is to effect some change so that more Americans get these jobs. This is not the vector of attack though. You want to focus on the root of the problem, namely that corporations are able to hire people at will in the first place. Once they've hired someone, applying to same job is not going to make them fire that person and hire you instead. You want to take the agency away from corporations at inception, so that you can be hired.

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