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Re: AI is different

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Post by HDThoreaun »

yomismoaqui wrote: post #11
btilly wrote: post #7

In every technology wave so far, we've disrupted many existing jobs. However we've also opened up new kinds of jobs. And, because it is easier to retrain humans than build machines for those jobs, we wound up with more and better jobs. This is the first technology wave that doesn't just displace humans, but which can be trained to the new job opportunities more easily than humans can. Right now it can't replace human…

Don't worry about the political leaders, if a sizeable amount of people lose their jobs they will surely ask GPT-10 how to build a guillotine.

The french revolution did not go well for the average french person. Not sure guillotines are the solution we need.

Re: AI is different

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Post by ScotterC »

mxwsn wrote: post #24

AI with ability but without responsibility is not enough for dramatic socioeconomic change, I think. For now, the critical unique power of human workers is that you can hold them responsible for things. edit: ability without accountability is the catchier motto :)

I’m surprised that I don’t hear this mentioned more often. Not even in a Eng leadership format of taking accountability for your AI’s pull requests. But it’s absolutely true. Capitalism runs on accountability and trust and we are clearly not going to trust a service that doesn’t have a human responsible at the helm.

Re: AI is different

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Post by intended »

Could, if, and maybe.

When we discuss how LLMs failed or succeeded, as a norm, we should start including

- the language/framework - task, - our experience levels (highly familiar, moderately familiar, I think I suck, unfamiliar)

Right now, we know both - Claude is magic, and LLMs are useless, but never how we move between these two states.

This level of uncertainty, when economy making quantities of wealth are being moved, is “unhelpful”.

Re: AI is different

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Post by alex1138 »

Open letter to tech magnates:

By all means, continue to make or improve your Llamas/Geminis (to the latter: stop censoring Literally Everything. Google has a culture problem. To the former... I don't much trust your parent company in general)

It will undoubtedly lead to great advances

But for the love of god do not tightly bind them to your products (Kagi does it alright, they don't force it on you). Do not make your search results worse. Do NOT put AI in charge of automatic content moderation with 0 human oversight (we know you want to. The economics of it work out nicely for you, with no accountability). People already as is get banned far too easily by your automated systems

Re: AI is different

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Post by zdragnar »

stephc_int13 wrote: post #6
BoorishBears wrote: post #2

I don't get how post GPT-5's launch we're still getting articles where the punchline is "what if these things replace a BUNCH of humans".

Salvatore is right about the fact that we have not seen the full story yet, LLMs are stalling/plateauing but active research is already ongoing to find different architectures and models. And I think the effort here can be compared in scale to the Manhattan or Apollo projects, but there is also the potential for a huge backlash to the hype that was built up and created what is arguably a bubble, so this is a race aga…

LLMs are just the latest in a very long line of disparate attempts at making AI, and is arguably the most successful.

That doesn't mean the approach isn't an evolutionary dead end, like every other so far, in the search for AGI. In fact, I suspect that is the most likely case.

Re: AI is different

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Post by Refreeze5224 »

aurareturn wrote: post #20
btilly wrote: post #7

In every technology wave so far, we've disrupted many existing jobs. However we've also opened up new kinds of jobs. And, because it is easier to retrain humans than build machines for those jobs, we wound up with more and better jobs. This is the first technology wave that doesn't just displace humans, but which can be trained to the new job opportunities more easily than humans can. Right now it can't replace human…

This is the first technology wave that doesn't just displace humans, but which can be trained to the new job opportunities more easily than humans can. Right now it can't replace humans for a lot of important things. But as its capabilities improve, what do displaced humans transition to? Assuming AI doesn't get better than humans at everything, humans will be supervising and directing AIs.

That sounds like a job for a very small number of people. Where will everyone else work?

Re: AI is different

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Post by LPisGood »

Refreeze5224 wrote: post #36
aurareturn wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the first technology wave that doesn't just displace humans, but which can be trained to the new job opportunities more easily than humans can. Right now it can't replace humans for a lot of important things. But as its capabilities improve, what do displaced humans transition to? Assuming AI doesn't get better than humans at everything, humans will be supervising and directing AIs.

That sounds like a job for a very small number of people. Where will everyone else work?

Why do they have to work?

Re: AI is different

#38

Post by deepfriedbits »

I am a relentlessly optimistic person and this is the first technology that I've seen that worries me in the decades I've been in the biz.

It's a wonderful breakthrough, nearly indistinguishable from magic, but we're going to have to figure something out – whether that's Universal Basic Income (UBI) or something along those lines, otherwise, the loss of jobs that is coming will lead to societal unrest or worse.

Re: AI is different

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Post by grokgrok »

Refreeze5224 wrote: post #36
aurareturn wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the first technology wave that doesn't just displace humans, but which can be trained to the new job opportunities more easily than humans can. Right now it can't replace humans for a lot of important things. But as its capabilities improve, what do displaced humans transition to? Assuming AI doesn't get better than humans at everything, humans will be supervising and directing AIs.

That sounds like a job for a very small number of people. Where will everyone else work?

Wherever the AI tells them to

Re: AI is different

#40

Post by juped »

BoorishBears wrote: post #2

I don't get how post GPT-5's launch we're still getting articles where the punchline is "what if these things replace a BUNCH of humans".

I think GPT-5's backlash was the beginning of the end of the hype bubble, but there's a lot of air to let out of it, as with any hype bubble. We'll see it for quite some time yet.
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