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A ChatGPT Pro subscription costs 38.6 months of income in low-income countries

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Re: A ChatGPT Pro subscription costs 38.6 months of income in low-income countries

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>I find this very troubling for two reasons. First, while Claude and OpenAI are new, Google has been around for a long time. It should have thought better about pricing so that the tool is within the reach of the developing world. Why? I don't see a practical argument for why Google would want to offer this service at a massive loss.

The author is making a moral argument, not a practical (from Google’s perspective) one.

Re: A ChatGPT Pro subscription costs 38.6 months of income in low-income countries

#32
Stop, if for just a moment:

Have a look at industrial accident data globally, considering underreporting in developing nations.

- Same, environmental accidents.

- Same, WMD proliferation, including chem, bio and nuclear.

- Same, malicious cyber.

Now, ask yourself if we have enough problems aligning & regulating AI at the moment?

Are we sure that in the name of laudable egalitarian ideals that we are prepared for the second and third order effects of broad global accessibility to AI, including frontier models?

Re: A ChatGPT Pro subscription costs 38.6 months of income in low-income countries

#33

A CS degree costs something like 124 yrs salary for someone in a low income nation—and it’s a much longer harder road. I’m not AI’s biggest fan, but arguably, this type of tech actually narrows the gap. Even if it’s expensive.

That’s a false equivalence¹. You don’t need a CS degree² to become a good programmer, you can do it with time, perseverance, and access to an old machine. Additionally, even if you needed a CS degree, you don’t keep paying for that indefinitely³ and get skills which last for life. An LLM subscription is something you have to keep paying for, and are screwed if you can no longer afford it, it goes down, or you’re in a place without internet connectivity.

¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

² Nor do they cost the same everywhere.

³ In the sense that it’s not a subscription. I get that in the US you may be paying for student loans for an unreasonably long time, but that’s not normal for the rest of the world.

Re: A ChatGPT Pro subscription costs 38.6 months of income in low-income countries

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UK tuition fees £9,535/year - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/tuition-fees-and-... £9,535/year * 3 year degree / 124 years ~= £231/year ~= 310 USD/year UN estimates GDP/capita of Yemen and Burundi were less than this, that Tajikistan has lower gross average monthly wages. Those are nominal, not PPP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countr…

For Yemen, you should look at the cost of a CS degree in Yemen, which is $ 700/year, not in a foreign country.

To the earlier version of your comment:

> Why would someone in Yemen have to go to UK to get a CS degree when they have multiple universities offering the same course.

Same reason they'd be using an American AI company instead of a cheaper one that e.g. runs on their phone.

Re: A ChatGPT Pro subscription costs 38.6 months of income in low-income countries

#35
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a source for this claim?

UK tuition fees £9,535/year - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/tuition-fees-and-... £9,535/year * 3 year degree / 124 years ~= £231/year ~= 310 USD/year UN estimates GDP/capita of Yemen and Burundi were less than this, that Tajikistan has lower gross average monthly wages. Those are nominal, not PPP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countr…

That's for international students going to the UK to study CS. There is not much point for anyone to go to the UK to study CS for that amount of money (unless they already live there, but they get their degree for a third or even less of that money). It's normal for international student tuition fees to be inflated by many universities, they try to collect some extra revenue based on a perceived extra prestige, especially the US and UK. Similar to charging different prices for tourists than for locals.

Re: A ChatGPT Pro subscription costs 38.6 months of income in low-income countries

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post #26
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UK tuition fees £9,535/year - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/tuition-fees-and-... £9,535/year * 3 year degree / 124 years ~= £231/year ~= 310 USD/year UN estimates GDP/capita of Yemen and Burundi were less than this, that Tajikistan has lower gross average monthly wages. Those are nominal, not PPP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countr…

Why is the basis a high-tuition fee high-cost country? Many countries have much lower fees and costs, including Western ones. https://educationdata.org/average-cost-of-college-by-country

And many AI are cheaper than OpenAI Pro. For example, OpenAI free.

Re: A ChatGPT Pro subscription costs 38.6 months of income in low-income countries

#37
post #25

One issue I have with the widely used metric of 'Productivity per hours worked' - if I have a second apt I rent out to Bob for $1000, I have a 'productivity' of $6.25 per hour 'worked', despite nobody producing anything and nobody working for any length of time.

But that's the same with GDP: if you and me are living on an uninhabited island and grow/catch all of our food for consumption, our GDP is $0. If however I rent out my bungalow to you and rent yours instead, and I sell you all my food and buy your food instead, somehow our GDP skyrockets.

Same as cooking for youtself or family/friends, taking care of family/friends, exercising, anything that doesn't involve accounting transactions basically.

Re: A ChatGPT Pro subscription costs 38.6 months of income in low-income countries

#38

>I find this very troubling for two reasons. First, while Claude and OpenAI are new, Google has been around for a long time. It should have thought better about pricing so that the tool is within the reach of the developing world. Why? I don't see a practical argument for why Google would want to offer this service at a massive loss.

Well, this will only increase immigration. Isn't this what the US doesn't want?

Re: A ChatGPT Pro subscription costs 38.6 months of income in low-income countries

#39
post #5

Luckily, a ChatGPT Pro subscription is not mandatory. It's not like one can't live without it.

for now. Wait until you have to compete with those who do have it. It's like competing in a race with a ferrari without a race car. The same thing used to be said of the internet.
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