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POML: Prompt Orchestration Markup Language

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Re: POML: Prompt Orchestration Markup Language

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Post by dragonwriter »

nine_k wrote: post #29

Does anybody find it mildly ironic that LLM prompts, which are intended to be plain informal text, accumulate more and more structure around them, including a markup language in question? This is not unlike the way the language of legal documents is highly formulaic, structured, and codified. When precise meaning is desirable, firmer structures tend to arise. With a bit more time, proper code languages may start to a…

This markup language isn't structure for prompts for LLMs, it is structure for conventional programs that need to construct prompts for LLMs.

Conventional programs using structured templates with deterministic rules to construct output is... not new.

(Jinja templates have been widely used for communicating structure to assemble conversation history, tool calls, etc., into promots for open models for a while.)

Re: POML: Prompt Orchestration Markup Language

#32

Post by golly_ned »

ultmaster wrote: post #28

I'm the sole code contributor of POML, maybe except for Codex and cc. I think I've found where all that GitHub stars suddenly came from. :) I'm from a small group under Microsoft Research. POML originally came from a research idea that Prompt should have a view layer like the traditional MVC architecture in the frontend system. The view layer should take care of the data, the styles and rendering logic, so that the u…

It strikes me as a massive anti-pattern to have one developer be the sole contributor of an open-source project sponsored by a $3T company. It doesn't speak well to its longevity or the strength of the sponsorship Microsoft's putting behind it in practice.

Re: POML: Prompt Orchestration Markup Language

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Post by lf-non »

golly_ned wrote: post #32
ultmaster wrote: post #28

I'm the sole code contributor of POML, maybe except for Codex and cc. I think I've found where all that GitHub stars suddenly came from. :) I'm from a small group under Microsoft Research. POML originally came from a research idea that Prompt should have a view layer like the traditional MVC architecture in the frontend system. The view layer should take care of the data, the styles and rendering logic, so that the u…

It strikes me as a massive anti-pattern to have one developer be the sole contributor of an open-source project sponsored by a $3T company. It doesn't speak well to its longevity or the strength of the sponsorship Microsoft's putting behind it in practice.

There is a difference between a product that a company pushes out as part of its business roadmap with a commercial strategy around it vs. an experimental research project that a single developer takes up on their own initiative.

It is great that they were allowed to open source it.

Re: POML: Prompt Orchestration Markup Language

#36

Post by mh- »

golly_ned wrote: post #32
ultmaster wrote: post #28

I'm the sole code contributor of POML, maybe except for Codex and cc. I think I've found where all that GitHub stars suddenly came from. :) I'm from a small group under Microsoft Research. POML originally came from a research idea that Prompt should have a view layer like the traditional MVC architecture in the frontend system. The view layer should take care of the data, the styles and rendering logic, so that the u…

It strikes me as a massive anti-pattern to have one developer be the sole contributor of an open-source project sponsored by a $3T company. It doesn't speak well to its longevity or the strength of the sponsorship Microsoft's putting behind it in practice.

I hope everyone realizes these comments just discourage companies from letting their employees do their work in the open, in collaboration with the community.

If you want them to wait until everything is super ready (or dead) and then "throw it over the fence" into their public GitHub org, keep it up.

Re: POML: Prompt Orchestration Markup Language

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Post by Kuyawa »

ultmaster wrote: post #28

I'm the sole code contributor of POML, maybe except for Codex and cc. I think I've found where all that GitHub stars suddenly came from. :) I'm from a small group under Microsoft Research. POML originally came from a research idea that Prompt should have a view layer like the traditional MVC architecture in the frontend system. The view layer should take care of the data, the styles and rendering logic, so that the u…

Can we replace for just before it's too late? Sorry but my OCD just tingled a bit.

Re: POML: Prompt Orchestration Markup Language

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Post by beefnugs »

nine_k wrote: post #29

Does anybody find it mildly ironic that LLM prompts, which are intended to be plain informal text, accumulate more and more structure around them, including a markup language in question? This is not unlike the way the language of legal documents is highly formulaic, structured, and codified. When precise meaning is desirable, firmer structures tend to arise. With a bit more time, proper code languages may start to a…

This is "The Dream" vs whatever actually happened

Re: POML: Prompt Orchestration Markup Language

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Post by throwanem »

ultmaster wrote: post #28

I'm the sole code contributor of POML, maybe except for Codex and cc. I think I've found where all that GitHub stars suddenly came from. :) I'm from a small group under Microsoft Research. POML originally came from a research idea that Prompt should have a view layer like the traditional MVC architecture in the frontend system. The view layer should take care of the data, the styles and rendering logic, so that the u…

I guess naïvely, this seems like an enormous amount of tooling for what appears to be a relatively straightforward XML transformation. Why all this...this? Could it not be at all more simple? As is, while the idea on display is tremendously provocative, I feel I risk considerable time and effort learning to understand this implementation well enough to know whether to do so was wise.

Also, please good heavens hire a narrator for the demo video. That AI voice sucks in an extremely uncanny-valley way, as if the speaker is one second from collapsing of benzodiazepine overdose, and it makes me like your work less well with every word.

Re: POML: Prompt Orchestration Markup Language

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Post by N2yhWNXQN3k9 »

Kuyawa wrote: post #37
ultmaster wrote: post #28

I'm the sole code contributor of POML, maybe except for Codex and cc. I think I've found where all that GitHub stars suddenly came from. :) I'm from a small group under Microsoft Research. POML originally came from a research idea that Prompt should have a view layer like the traditional MVC architecture in the frontend system. The view layer should take care of the data, the styles and rendering logic, so that the u…

Can we replace for just before it's too late? Sorry but my OCD just tingled a bit.

> Sorry but my OCD just tingled a bit.

A compulsion to give design notes without any reasoning on something you've just heard of?

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