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AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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Re: AI industry horrified to face largest copyright class action ever certified

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IP exists in your head. You have knowledge that no one else has and it is your property. IP law recognizes this ground truth and creates a legal framework that allows IP to be traded in the economy which creates an incentive for people to share their IP.

Well, it's your property until you decide to share it with someone else.

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Every author should have the right to have their work remembered and immortalized by AI. We should have the right to influence how AI thinks by publishing our content. AI should remember our names, and the stories of how our work was produced, so it can remember who we are and how we helped it. This is how AI democracy works. The people trying to financially ruin the AI industry by demanding unreasonable amounts of m…

> Every author should have the right to have their work remembered and immortalized by AI. Equally, every author should also have the right to not have their work ingested by AI.

That's what robots.txt does.

However you'd have to delist yourself from search engines to fully prevent AIs from reading the content on your website.

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Which is more important, the rights of the infringed or of the funded and hyped business?

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Without IP though you lose incentive to invest in new stuff. IP is made up just like saying murder is made up. Both are just concepts but necessary concepts to keep society on track.

That being said, I don't know if I agree that the AI companies are violating IP rights.

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> Every author should have the right to have their work remembered and immortalized by AI. Equally, every author should also have the right to not have their work ingested by AI.

That's what robots.txt does. However you'd have to delist yourself from search engines to fully prevent AIs from reading the content on your website.

> That's what robots.txt does

It most certainly does not. robots.txt is almost totally worthless against genAI crawlers. Even being unindexed from search engines doesn't keep you safe.

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Without IP though you lose incentive to invest in new stuff. IP is made up just like saying murder is made up. Both are just concepts but necessary concepts to keep society on track. That being said, I don't know if I agree that the AI companies are violating IP rights.

Without IP, information becomes controlled by centralized online services with DRM which show ads, meter access, monitor your activity, make specializations, and can take it all away at any time. That's the system we ended up with, after humanity failed to voluntarily respect IP holders rights under the old system that let you buy/own content. Toute nation a le gouvernement qu'elle mérite.

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So, if I scraped thousands of WEB sites, it is legal ? I remember a person being charged with doing that to just a very few WEB Sites was charged. The poor person ended up committing suicide.

If I record every song played on the radio for years to a digital file, will I be charged ? You know I would be.

How are these different than what AI is doing. In the US, companies are considered a person, so to me, off to jail these companies go. Why is this turning into a big deal. We know AI is stealing copyrighted data. So I hope they get what they deserve.

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Their defense seems to be that AI requires crime to exist, so they should be allowed to do crime. This is not a defense permitted in any body of law. They're going to need to work on that.

well, if they're not allowed to do crime in the US, they will outsource it to other places.

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Which is more important, the rights of the infringed or of the funded and hyped business?

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Ownership would be the fiction. Copyright started after things began to be printed and the church/royalty lost their monopoly on writing.

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IP exists in your head. You have knowledge that no one else has and it is your property. IP law recognizes this ground truth and creates a legal framework that allows IP to be traded in the economy which creates an incentive for people to share their IP.

What do you mean by "in your head"? A book I have printed, a photograph I have printed, a trademark that can be printed, these are tangible artifacts and the original IP.

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Copyright is a deal society has made to advance the arts and sciences. We get more innovative media of all kinds, and in exchange, we pay for the government's policing of the right to copy. I'm not AI optimist or booster, but AI is an advancement in the arts and sciences, despite all the risks and downsides. AI is a derivative work from all digitized media. There's an argument to be made that the AI companies should…

Compulsory licensing with reasonable standard rates would be a better solution for creators than what's happening now, which is essentially just compulsory giving.

But that's unlikely to happen, because any kind of compulsory licensing scheme that could allow creators to actually survive would still be cripplingly expensive for AI companies, given the number of works they have devoured under the assumption that all the world is theirs to take...and they clearly have the ear of the current administration.

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