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Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Re: Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by Jtsummers »

1659447091 wrote: post #26
lesuorac wrote: post #2

Honestly, kinda hope they did require a passport to vote. It'll be great to see what a shitshow it is when 70% of people in Arkansas [1] can't vote. It seems to be pretty evenly split amongst being the administration and their primary opposition although I guess devil might be in the details [2]. [1]: https://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/... [2]: https://today.yougov.com/travel/articles/35414-o…

The PDF in [1] has an interesting stat. (from the Notes section) >> Note: According to a survey conducted by the Pew Research Center, 79% of women in opposite-sex marriages have changed their surname to their spouse’s while 5% hyphenated their surname, meaning that 84% of women who are currently or have been in opposite-sex marriages have changed their legal name and therefore do not posess a birth certificate that c…

It wouldn't disqualify them outright, but they have to bring more documentation to prove their identity. This is one reason my wife didn't change her name when we got married.

Re: Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by arp242 »

antonymoose wrote: post #13
buerkle wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Showing ID to vote wouldn't be controversial in the US if states made it easy to obtain a valid ID for the purpose. But states routinely use it as a backdoor mechanism to prevent people from voting.

In my state I bring two forms of ID and a couple of bills to the DMV and I’m issued a same-day license? How does that compare to a notoriously unfriendly nation like Germany? In any case, my understanding is virtually any nation in Central and South America requires identification to vote. If the third-world poverty stricken nations make it work there is no reason the rich United States cannot.

You can't use your driving license under the proposed SAVE act, as it's not proof of citizenship. Only a few states offer "extended" driving licenses, which do, but also need to be requested separately in most (or all?) states that offer them IIRC. For every other state: you will have to use a passport, birth certificate, or a separate state ID card.

Re: Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by hypeatei »

I'm really not sure how we've normalized corrupt behavior at the highest levels of government. Penalizing law firms for supporting things that Trump doesn't like is insane. Doubly so when they enter agreements to provide free legal services for things he does approve of so that they can "get the monkey off their back" so to speak.

All I can hope for is that we punish this behavior in the future when grifting and violating civil rights isn't the normal thing to do.

Re: Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by tastyface »

jimbo808 wrote: post #27
tastyface wrote: post #21

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If you can't even prove you're an American by providing basic identification, you shouldn't be allowed vote. Democracy requires a system of voting that is trustworthy. Allowing people to vote based on who they say they are is not conducive to a trustworthy election.

Fine. First hand out IDs to every single person, for free and without forcing them to spend hours on obscure bureaucratic processes, then mandate voter ID when there's close to 100% coverage. It's the only way to be fair. Otherwise, the only thing you're doing is disenfranchising the most vulnerable while changing almost nothing about election security in practice. (Studies have repeatedly found that voter fraud is practically nonexistent.)

Re: Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by tromp »

xracy wrote: post #16
jimbo808 wrote: post #3

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> A recent Economist/YouGov poll doesn’t show any party gap on this question, as Democrats (41%) and Republicans (38%) are equally likely to hold and not hold valid passports

Sorry, how is a 3% difference "no gap"? Am I misunderstanding those metrics? If a Democrat is 3% more likely to hold a passport, that seems like a potentially huge impact to elections.

41/38 ~ 1.08, so it's 8% more likely rather than 3%.

Re: Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by samdoesnothing »

tastyface wrote: post #30
samdoesnothing wrote: post #28

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Except studies have repeatedly shown that there is practically no voter fraud, because it's pretty easy to detect and people generally don't want to commit felonies for zero personal gain. *You* show me the proof of widespread voter fraud.

I don't trust any "study" on this topic because of how highly politicised it is. Is there anything stopping a person from going to a polling station, writing a fake name, and walking out with zero risk? No? Then you must assume there is some amount of fraud.

Re: Brennan Center for Justice Report: The Campaign to Undermine the Next Election

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Post by tastyface »

samdoesnothing wrote: post #38
tastyface wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except studies have repeatedly shown that there is practically no voter fraud, because it's pretty easy to detect and people generally don't want to commit felonies for zero personal gain. *You* show me the proof of widespread voter fraud.

I don't trust any "study" on this topic because of how highly politicised it is. Is there anything stopping a person from going to a polling station, writing a fake name, and walking out with zero risk? No? Then you must assume there is some amount of fraud.

Have you never actually voted? You can't just come in and "write a fake name." People easily get caught for trying to do shit like this.

If you can't trust "any study," then you're going 100% by feels (and whatever Fox news is frothing about).

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