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Nokia Lumia 920 is more retina than the iPhone 4S

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Re: Nokia Lumia 920 is more retina than the iPhone 4S

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Post by runjake »

jbigelow76 wrote: post #24
shuw wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Windows Phone has failed to gain traction in the marketplace and therefore lacks a proper app ecosystem. Second, I think the WP8 UI very divisive. You either love it or you don't. Personally, I think it's a Pepsi. Sweet on first impression, but cumbersome to use every day. Too much scrolling (can't use muscle memory) and giant typography which distract from the content.

> Well, Windows Phone has failed to gain traction in the marketplace and therefore lacks a proper app ecosystem. Could you expand on what you see as a proper app ecosystem? - It can't be the tooling, Visual Studio and .NET have a pretty huge install bases. - Is it the distribution channel? - Is it that there aren't 60,000,000 apps like for Android? If so that number should be reduced down to about the ~5000 apps that…

> What is Microsoft missing that would make it "proper"?

Apps on par with Android and iOS. Sure WP has a Twitter app, but it's ancient. Several other popular "must-have" apps are there, but are not at feature parity with competing platforms.

I think that's the one big thing Windows Phone is missing: versions of apps that don't suck, and don't lag features behind competing platforms.

Outside the Microsoft crowd, developer/buyer interest is virtually non-existent, which is sad because I think it's a rather great platform. It's fast, pretty, elegant and useful.

Re: Nokia Lumia 920 is more retina than the iPhone 4S

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Post by altrego99 »

janardanyri wrote: post #17

Sidenote on marketing: this is probably an amazing screen, but the gadgetmarketspeak designation of "Pure Motion HD+" makes me tune out instantly. The cleverness of "retina display" was that a single explanatory sentence told you everything you need to know - this phone has better resolution than your eyes can fully perceive. "Pure Motion HD+" means nothing to me - is that better or worse than 'true HD'? (For that ma…

Both are marketing gimmick at the end of the day. And Apple (Jobs) has been leading in that department very well - Nokia had 3G long before iPhone 3G was released. Nokia had multitasking long before it was there in iPhone 4. And Nokia E6 had a PPI of 328, much before 'Retina Display' was advertised... and such high PPI is useless except for marketing anyway.

Re: Nokia Lumia 920 is more retina than the iPhone 4S

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Post by tejaswiy »

esolyt wrote: post #11
jharrier wrote: post #5

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Agreed. Not a lot to brag about, but I'd at least mention that it is retina.

What does retina mean? Can you explain to us? Do we really need a term for "high PPI"? If iPhone 4 is retina, then what is Xperia S? It is certainly not retina, because it would be insulting to call it retina when its pixels are even more indistinguishable. What about Galaxy Nexus? It is 316 PPI, slightly less than iPhone. Is it enough for being retina or not? Who determines?

For me, after a threshold (which is what the iPhone display reaches), it doesn't really matter. The returns are exponentially diminishing after that point. Having 10% ppi more than the iPhone's will not make the display 10% better.

Re: Nokia Lumia 920 is more retina than the iPhone 4S

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Post by jarek »

Johngibb wrote: post #23
esolyt wrote: post #11

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What does retina mean? Can you explain to us? Do we really need a term for "high PPI"? If iPhone 4 is retina, then what is Xperia S? It is certainly not retina, because it would be insulting to call it retina when its pixels are even more indistinguishable. What about Galaxy Nexus? It is 316 PPI, slightly less than iPhone. Is it enough for being retina or not? Who determines?

How can pixels be "more" indistinguishable? Either you can see them or you can't...

You see them or you don't at a given distance. There might be value for some people in having that distance be shorter.

Re: Nokia Lumia 920 is more retina than the iPhone 4S

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Post by jarek »

rbanffy wrote: post #20

That's great news. All of us time-travelers who sport extra-high resolution artificial eyes will be able to see all the extra detail this higher density allows. Now, seriously, there is absolutely no need to increase pixel density

> Now, seriously, there is absolutely no need to increase pixel density

Isn't that what they said in 2010, and 2005, and 2000?

When we have a display that's "retina" when being held 1 mm in front of sharp eyes you might be able to say there's "no need." Until then, the market will decide.

Re: Nokia Lumia 920 is more retina than the iPhone 4S

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Post by MartinCron »

jarek wrote: post #35
rbanffy wrote: post #20

That's great news. All of us time-travelers who sport extra-high resolution artificial eyes will be able to see all the extra detail this higher density allows. Now, seriously, there is absolutely no need to increase pixel density

> Now, seriously, there is absolutely no need to increase pixel density Isn't that what they said in 2010, and 2005, and 2000? When we have a display that's "retina" when being held 1 mm in front of sharp eyes you might be able to say there's "no need." Until then, the market will decide.

I don't think anyone was saying that there's no need to increase pixel density in 2000 or 2005, at least not to me.

Can you even focus 1mm in front of your eyes? I can't, but I'm old.

Re: Nokia Lumia 920 is more retina than the iPhone 4S

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Post by evandena »

sv123 wrote: post #21
moystard wrote: post #10

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Had the exact same thought while watching the conference. The problem does not come from the hardware, it comes from the software.

What have you heard negative about it? Seems pretty slick.

Will they seamlessly let you use Google services in a non-hackish way? I don't want to use Bing, Live, Sky, etc.

I'm afraid unless I buy an open source OS, I'll be pushed into an ecosystem without choice.

Re: Nokia Lumia 920 is more retina than the iPhone 4S

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Post by [deleted] »

option_greek wrote: post #19
janardanyri wrote: post #17

Sidenote on marketing: this is probably an amazing screen, but the gadgetmarketspeak designation of "Pure Motion HD+" makes me tune out instantly. The cleverness of "retina display" was that a single explanatory sentence told you everything you need to know - this phone has better resolution than your eyes can fully perceive. "Pure Motion HD+" means nothing to me - is that better or worse than 'true HD'? (For that ma…

There are some things other companies never seem to learn from apple: 1) Differentiating their phones by weird model numbers that no one remembers 2) Making product announcements with no details about price and availability 3) Cramming all kind of high end features and adding non catchy names like this PureGodKnowsWhatEver+ in their product descriptions and praying people will buy them.

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Re: Nokia Lumia 920 is more retina than the iPhone 4S

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Post by dmansen »

option_greek wrote: post #19
janardanyri wrote: post #17

Sidenote on marketing: this is probably an amazing screen, but the gadgetmarketspeak designation of "Pure Motion HD+" makes me tune out instantly. The cleverness of "retina display" was that a single explanatory sentence told you everything you need to know - this phone has better resolution than your eyes can fully perceive. "Pure Motion HD+" means nothing to me - is that better or worse than 'true HD'? (For that ma…

There are some things other companies never seem to learn from apple: 1) Differentiating their phones by weird model numbers that no one remembers 2) Making product announcements with no details about price and availability 3) Cramming all kind of high end features and adding non catchy names like this PureGodKnowsWhatEver+ in their product descriptions and praying people will buy them.

4) Have real products that people can play with in stores (last time I was at Best Buy, not a single phone worked)

5) Support products long after they are released

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